No. I asked what the target demo of AT2 + StompIO is. It's obvious what the demo of X-GEAR is... nobody. That's why they're giving it away. They're leveraging the work put in as a way to convince people to buy a 2nd pbAT product (so that they can then get functions they should already have for "free" instead of $99). They don't seem to honestly believe many people will just buy X-GEAR at msrp.redshift factor wrote:Lunch Money, the question you asked was about the target demographic of X-GEAR.
Well, you fell short. "Guitarists. Guitarists. Guitarists." doesn't answer the demographic question. If you read it again, from my perspective, you'll perhaps understand why *I* felt insulted. You can't get mad at me for an abrupt reply when you yourself were the one who dismissed somebody's perspective and inquiry with snyde one-word non-answer.I pointed out that the cost of a couple Amplitube powered plugins is not that steep compared to the cost guitarists regularly shell out for quality kit. Just one of the vintage pedals that IKMM modeled for their AT products costs a lot more. That was the point I was trying to make.
So, you then moved on to making a NEW point... fair enough. But you also failed there. What you ACTUALLY said was, "serious guitarists will indeed shell out for this; after all, serious guitarists spend a lot of money on their gear." Not "it's better value for money than buying the corresponding vintage gear." That's a new explanation that you're only just now clarifying. Well fine, I can rise to that challenge, too. People will spend $500 on a vintage pedal because perhaps they're idiots, obsessed, or collectors. But at the end of the day they have the REAL thing, a collectible thing, and one that delivers the authentic deal without a computer's intervention. Once again, these are NOT the same people who would spend $1100 on StompIO. There's no such thing as boutique collectible software.
And more importantly, it's NOT the real thing. Even in the hardware world, there are plenty of emulations of famous pedals, amps, etc. Fuch's started off as emulations of Dumbles. Plenty of overdrive pedals are copies of Tube Screamers, and some of them are even improvements, to many people's ears. But my mass-produced Digitech all-in-wonder distortion pedal isn't collectible either, and it only costs $99. That's $99 for 5 high-quality models, with a foot controller.
To be more concise: you're not buying the $500 vintage pedal. You're buying a model of it. It goes without explanation (though I've explained) that those aren't the same thing. However, I will be the first to agree that software is awesome because despite its limitations it's giving us value-for-money. It's giving me a model that's "close enough" for my tastes. But it's NOT an actual vintage pedal you're buying.
Well, I didn't disagree with that particular point until the above... you're setting up a straw man to knock down. As for the insultingness, I encourage you to read again, taking a different perspective if you have that capacity (some people don't... I don't mean it as an insult). You will see that "Guitarists. Guitarists. Guitarists." was the first insult, and then the implied "serious guitarists spend $" was the second one. You can't blame me for being abrubt.If you disagree that's fine, but that is no reason to be insulting.
However, While I take pride in the guitars I have, I have nothing to prove when it comes to playing them. They're just a few of the many tools I use to create my music. Whether or not I'm a "true guitarist" is the least of my concerns.
You missed the point here. It wasn't an insult, it was an observation. Why did you even identify "guitarists" as a target demographic? My only point is that for you to make that identification, you're probably not actually a guitarist. I didn't say you have to be concerned about being a "true guitarist," but your interjections in the thread don't seem to make sense and lack context because you're clearly NOT one. <shrug>While we're on the subject, and this isn't directed at you specifically, though of course you're free to respond:
When did it become such a point of pride for people to refer to their "tools" around here? I see it all the time. "This is just a tool for my expression," "that is just a tool for creating," etc. For some things it makes sense (a linear sequencer seems to be just a tool), but it's like people don't want to confess to a particular affinity or affection. My guitars aren't tools. They're instruments. In my poor hands, a keyboard is a tool... I can't be very expressive with it (sometimes, but not often!), though I can enter data with it and squeak by. But my guitars are my instruments. I selected them for particular reasons, and I'm familiar with their respective quirks. I don't mean to suggest the opposite ("they're my soul" has always seemed overboard, to me), but they ARE instruments rather than mere tools.
Greg
Sure! All samples should be free, all music should be free, gas should be free, food, rent... EVERYTHING should just be FREE 
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