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MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:38 pm

Krakatau wrote:
MaxSynths wrote:
as i read it in another forum :

As sensitive as a rusty scalpel !

Harsh like Largo

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:41 pm

About presets... Well I really like, for example, DocT presets for Synth1 (and other synths) which are a beautiful example of sound design and creativity. Why also DocT presets doesn't sound so interesting in Largo?

setAI · Post by **setAI** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:46 pm

well JEEZ- this demo sure sold me!- not that I needed much selling but I was beginning to put Largo out of my mind and focus on Synplant and Ipod Touch apps-

I just had to go an download this demo- now I got GAS bad! the presets were just OK- mostly too harsh and trancy- for me I was sold when I loaded in the PPG bank and then tried out the EnergyXT random preset generator- also the INCREDIBLE FM with the oscillators as sources on all the oscillators and filters giving you most of the flexibility of a modular synth- Largo justs sounds amazing and really augments the already classic PPG wavetables

cc-purno · Post by **cc-purno** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:07 pm

Hi,

Largo can do a bit more then the demo presets show.
Waldorf should really update those to reveal the real power of largo.
After some minutes of fiddling (never used largo before) a created this patch:

http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=dl&id=1049

Some stuff I missed, caught my attention or could not find:
- Arp "step sequencer" does not seem to be able to modulate the notes. (this is essential I think)
- When switching through the effects windows, the effects that I clicked are enabled and solo'd. Not so good behavior.

CC

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:21 pm

cc-purno wrote:Hi,

Largo can do a bit more then the demo presets. Waldorf should really update those the reveal the real power of largo.
After some minutes of fiddling (never used largo before) a created this patch:

http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=dl&id=1049

Some stuff I missed or caught my attention (or could not find):
- Arp "step sequencer" does not seem to be able to modulate the pitch of the notes. (this is essential I think)
- When switching through the effects windows, the effects that I clicked are enabled and solo'd. Not so good behavior.

CC

For step modulation you could switch LFO3 to "Step" mode. It'S in the dropdown list for the waveforms. This only works with LFO3.

Have you checked the other patches: http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=list&what=3620
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/archive?r ... rgo/sounds

cc-purno · Post by **cc-purno** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:52 pm

Checked it now.
I like:

FX - driveLFO SCD
Atmo - Atmorph T

Most presets are at least 2 oscillators but with not so much sequencing, layering etc. going on, so not my taste.

CC

LiteOn · Post by **LiteOn** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:25 pm

Hi,

since this topic already went OT somewhat I dare spending some more words on the meaning of presets.

Some years back I had a lot much more spare time I could spent on making music than nowadays. Not really suprising I've put most of the time on demoying plugins, it simply was to tempting these days with so many milestones in VST-plugin technology entering the stage.
Today it's totally different for me. My basic setup fairly meets all my real needs - and the time left over for music is much much less. This has Edit: three (old version: two) major consequences:

1. The product must have, at least in total, some real "innovative" meaning to me.
2. My willingness to demo every new "supa-dupa" plugin is rather weak.
3. The "ease of getting a first glance on the product quickly" is critical; in fact that is MY first KO-criterion.

Let me give to examples.

HELIX: I would never have demoed, letting alone bought it, if the huge collection of audio samples hasn't been there on the web-site. In fact, I've bought it based on just those (of course, backed by the tremendous positive feedback here on KVR). After purchase, I knew the presets would have been making me buy it otherwise.

AETHER: Same holds true for that reverb. Only after the official MP3 had been made available (upon request), I decided to demo this somehow CPU-hoggy plugin. And the presets finally made me get it.

To sum up, for a given product asking for my money I need at least

- appetizing audio samples to raise my basic interest (rationale behind: I'm often away from my home-based DAW and that's the only way to get the first sonic impressions)
- presets that truly show where the product excels soundwise (no matter where in detail)

So yes, presets are crucial. If the collection of factory presets isn't convincing in some way, I have to conclude the product is bog-standard and demoying it would indeed be a waste of time. BUT: In case, I would never blame that on the preset designers. I would held the product management responsible - or the product itself.

So, kudos to the preset designers!

Cheers,
LiteOn

DocT · Post by **DocT** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:32 pm

cc-purno wrote:But most of the presets are just 1 certain wave table playing...

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:36 pm

as we in general criticize factory presets from different vsti's etc, I like to remember to two things.

1) These are created by real people with real feelings. I think most professionals are open to constructive criticism in order to make our work better, but for someone to say stuff like it sucks!!!! is disheartening for me as a composer and I imagine must be for anyone who is happy with their own work.

2) one man's meat is another man's poison...

rsp

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:25 pm

I think this post is perfect :

DocT wrote: I haven't seen a release of a synth in the last years where the presets didn't suck. It doesn't matter who programmed them, it doesn't matter how many are included, they basically suck and everybody does better than these dumb factory sound programmers

Problem is that you scarcely see all those better sounds, they seem to be so good that nobody wants to give them to the public.
So, in case of Largo, my special praise goes to Ingonator who programmed and published a big pack of good and different sounds soon after the release.

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:10 pm

Yanking about the presets? 30 days-full license, come on! At least just try to bother with it...

nexusdawn · Post by **nexusdawn** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:39 pm

After my initial post, and having tested Largo over the past days, I would like to add the following.

This synth has a definite character of its own. To me it sounds like the Waldorf PPG VST, with more wavetables, an expanded modulation architecture, and finely tuned and improved Waldorf sounding filters.

I feel that people will benefit most as viewing it as VST modeled on the classic Waldorf sound, which is mostly famous for its percussive heavy basses, and its droney glimmering resonant pads.

Although its use certainly extends beyond this, to my ears at least, Largo is no 'bread n' butter' synth. And people will mostly be sorely disappointed trying to reproduce the typical unison trance gates, arps, 303 type basses, etc. style sounds.

I view largo as an excellent upgrade to the PPG VST, and for certain types of sounds it's a sound designer's dream come true. This is also why I feel, that some of the factory presets, although technically well done, simply do not capture the 'spirit' of this beast. Some sound thin and off... in a not too good way.

When creating or recreating patches I've made on the PPG VST on Largo, I'm very pleased with it's results. There's just something about that Waldorf sound...

So in short, we may do ourselves a favor in seeing Largo for what it is, and where its 'sweet spots' are, not what a few dozen other good VST's out there already do in abundance.

An excellent synth to expand ones sonic palette. Well done Waldorf.

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:49 pm

setAI wrote:well JEEZ- this demo sure sold me!- not that I needed much selling but I was beginning to put Largo out of my mind and focus on Synplant and Ipod Touch apps-

I just had to go an download this demo- now I got GAS bad! the presets were just OK- mostly too harsh and trancy- for me I was sold when I loaded in the PPG bank and then tried out the EnergyXT random preset generator- also the INCREDIBLE FM with the oscillators as sources on all the oscillators and filters giving you most of the flexibility of a modular synth- Largo justs sounds amazing and really augments the already classic PPG wavetables

The presets are pretty damn far from trancy.

BFunKu · Post by **BFunKu** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:17 am

Installed the Largo Demo and got this Shit!! WTF Waldorf!!!

-Infostealer.Gamepass
-Trojan.Vundo
And No it's not a False-Positive! I had to reinstall my entire OS! Good thing I Back everything up. But still that's not the point.

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:25 am

Are you sure BFunKu?

Largo demo version available!