GROUP BUY: Ocean Way & Drum Masters Ultimate Studio Drum Bundle!

[bronxsound]

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Everything in the "Ultimate Studio Drums Group Buy" is downloadable exclusively from eSoundz.com This is a limited-time bundle that includes the following kits that are playable from Sonic Reality's latest Infinite Player plug-in powered by Kontakt 3.5:

• Sonic Reality's Infinite Player plug-in powered by Kontakt*
• 12 different Ocean Way® Drums DL mix kits from dry to medium to ambient
• 15 Drum Masters 2 Signature Drum Kits featuring drum kits of legendary drummers
• Ambient Impulse Responses from some of the best sounding studio rooms in the world to use with Infinite Player/Kontakt's convolution reverb
• Bonus Midi Grooves

* If you already own the Infinite Player you can get a brand new previously unreleased Drum Masters 2 Ludwig® Jazz Kit instead!

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[Reverend Rhythm]

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[captain caveman]

• 12 different Ocean Way® Drums DL mix kits from dry to medium to ambient

Are these "mix kits" 12 non-multichannel Ocean Way kits or 4 kits with dry, medium and ambient settings?

[Reverend Rhythm]

• 12 different Ocean Way® Drums DL mix kits from dry to medium to ambient

Are these "mix kits" 12 non-multichannel Ocean Way kits or 4 kits with dry, medium and ambient settings?

Some are pre-mixed dry. Others are medium and Ambient. Is that what you're asking?

[Anahat]

6- Can I resell the sounds if I don't use them?

No, the standard license agreement does not provide for a legal transfer of the license to use the sounds therefore they cannot be resold to someone else. They are licensed to the original purchaser only.

I avoid buying NFR products. You never know if you will actually use it, so I like having the option to sell it.
That said, after watching and listening to the demos, I REALLY like the sound of OWD and DM. But BFR is making it hard for me to decide.

Actually could somebody explain to me the whole idea behind NFR software? I mean if I get some hardware gear nobody gives a damn if I sell it or not. What's the deal with software that makes it so different? How come some company can tell me I can't sell MY copy of their software? How is that even legal?

[bronxsound]

6- Can I resell the sounds if I don't use them?

No, the standard license agreement does not provide for a legal transfer of the license to use the sounds therefore they cannot be resold to someone else. They are licensed to the original purchaser only.

I avoid buying NFR products. You never know if you will actually use it, so I like having the option to sell it.
That said, after watching and listening to the demos, I REALLY like the sound of OWD and DM. But BFR is making it hard for me to decide.

Actually could somebody explain to me the whole idea behind NFR software? I mean if I get some hardware gear nobody gives a damn if I sell it or not. What's the deal with software that makes it so different? How come some company can tell me I can't sell MY copy of their software? How is that even legal?

Well, if you look around most of sample libraries license agreements say that you can't resell them. If you would think of instruments like OWD or DM as a sample lib than it perfectly fits the same pattern.

From the other hand, you can't go wrong paying $99 for that amazing drum collection The bottom line is, that this is the price you pay for an average sample DVD. To me that deal is like buying at least a couple of massive hardware drum kits not worrying where to put them in my 1 bedroom flat

[zedd]

Actually could somebody explain to me the whole idea behind NFR software? I mean if I get some hardware gear nobody gives a damn if I sell it or not. What's the deal with software that makes it so different? How come some company can tell me I can't sell MY copy of their software? How is that even legal?

Software is not the same as hardware because a copy of software product (particularly a software download) is an exact copy of the software--it is a clone, and often an untraceable clone. And so nothing is to stop you from keeping a copy for yourself while selling a duplicate copy. There becomes no record of the new owner in the developer database, and before you know it there are all sorts of copies of the software out there being used by people who didn't actually pay to be using (or pay to keep using) the software.

If everyone could be trusted to be honest, then these rules and stipulations would not be necessary. I have a software company and my stuff is downloaded for free on pirate sites all the time. It is a real shame to have your hours of hard labour being stolen by people without any compensation.

Software creators have to protect themselves from piracy. Of course they could have a program to assist you in reselling your software, but that takes time and money, and that is the same time and money that is supposed to be spent on product development.

I believe that is the short-story principal behind NFR software. But there may be other reasons as well...

[Squids]

6- Can I resell the sounds if I don't use them?

No, the standard license agreement does not provide for a legal transfer of the license to use the sounds therefore they cannot be resold to someone else. They are licensed to the original purchaser only.

I avoid buying NFR products. You never know if you will actually use it, so I like having the option to sell it.
That said, after watching and listening to the demos, I REALLY like the sound of OWD and DM. But BFR is making it hard for me to decide.

Actually could somebody explain to me the whole idea behind NFR software? I mean if I get some hardware gear nobody gives a damn if I sell it or not. What's the deal with software that makes it so different? How come some company can tell me I can't sell MY copy of their software? How is that even legal?

It's the sound recording part that is licensed to you and non transferable. The software part technically IS transferable but in this case the software is useless without the sounds. In fact, the software part is even FREE from Native Instruments (you can go pick up Kontakt Player right now for free from them). It is the "unlock authorization" for our sounds (Infinite Player sounds) that gets authorized to you.

This is a standard End User License Agreement in the sampling industry and you'll find something like it in nearly every sample library out there from Big Fish Audio to ILIO to East West to Best Service to you name it. Here it is if you want to read it: www.sonicreality.com/eula.php

To understand it, the best analogy I think of is your music - which is also a sound recording. If you licensed your music sound recordings to a television station for them to use on a TV show then they would be able to use it. They wouldn't be able to re-license it to another television station though because they don't OWN the rights, they just obtained the license to use those sound recordings themselves. Same thing here. When you're buying a sample library product you are buying the license to use it in YOUR music. That license is non-transferable, can't be shared, re-distributed etc. Only an authorized dealer has the rights to sell it.

Now, sometimes there is an exception and products with samples CAN be fully transfered with a fee or something. But the irony is that people complain just as much or more that there's a fee! When samples are part of a hardware instrument, the hardware company (who often licenses samples from a company like ours) has an agreement that buys out those rights for that hardware instrument because it can be sold and there's no way to separate it from the sounds. Most sound companies can swallow that pill because at least that hardware unit can only be in one place at one time! The biggest problem with allowing people to resell sound libraries that aren't attached to hardware is that people might keep a copy for themselves and sell it or share it with others (or sell to multiple people).

In this forum there's even a thread that tells you which vendors have this kind of license and you'll find that it is mainly sample library companies because of the licensing of sound recordings as opposed to pure software companies.

So, bottom line is, don't purchase a sample library thinking that you might resell it. Buy it because you want it for yourself to use in your music. You're buying the license to use those sample recordings and it is several thousand times cheaper than making those sound recordings, editing and programming them all yourself! For a mere $100 you get over $200,000 worth of top professional man hours, deluxe studio time, rare equipment use and more for those sounds to be exist and be available. I think that's a fair deal and we hope you do too. But only buy if you are comfortable with what you get for the money.

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Now that this is explained though, I don't think this thread should turn into a discussion about sample libraries and EULAs. There's a thread in this same forum for discussing that and it is here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 87&start=0 Understand that just because it may be a news to you, doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed on KVR a LOT and that is what that thread topic is for. I don't think it shouldn't be discussed in every group buy thread a sound company does in the marketplace. It's okay that it was brought up and questioned. But, everyone's opinions about the subject in general (which doesn't only relate to us or this group buy but relates to the ENTIRE sampling industry) are more appropriately expressed in that other thread and not in this specific topic thread. Thanks!

If you have any questions to us specifically about it, we have a company forum here on KVR for ANY questions you may have about our products in general. This group buy isn't singled out as being NFR over any of our other products. All sample libraries have this EULA. If you have questions about that to us please visit our Sonic Reality & eSoundz forum here on KVR which is here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=9

[hydemusic]

6- Can I resell the sounds if I don't use them?

No, the standard license agreement does not provide for a legal transfer of the license to use the sounds therefore they cannot be resold to someone else. They are licensed to the original purchaser only.

Actually could somebody explain to me the whole idea behind NFR software? I mean if I get some hardware gear nobody gives a damn if I sell it or not. What's the deal with software that makes it so different? How come some company can tell me I can't sell MY copy of their software? How is that even legal?

You want to hear samples to decide and buy the product,right? So don't you think others will ask the same of you? That said I can't see anyone wanting to buy something blindly from a scumbag bootlegger.

[captain caveman]

• 12 different Ocean Way® Drums DL mix kits from dry to medium to ambient

Are these "mix kits" 12 non-multichannel Ocean Way kits or 4 kits with dry, medium and ambient settings?

Some are pre-mixed dry. Others are medium and Ambient. Is that what you're asking?

Not quite, just basically how many actual kits are included.

eg

Retail Ocean Way Drums DL contains 5 kits, with a voucher to get another 2. That's 7 actual kits (duh), but I'm wondering whether these would be 21 of these "mix kits" that are talked about in the Group Buy, because they all have Dry, Medium and Ambient presets.

Or are the "mix kits" made up of less than 4 kits with different drums from 2 or 3 making them up?

[muddyjoe]

For a mere $100 you get over $200,000 worth of top professional man hours, deluxe studio time, rare equipment use and more for those sounds to be exist and be available. I think that's a fair deal and we hope you do too.

I think it is much more than a fair deal! having tried to sample (and then giving up)some Indian instruments I know what a tiresome and difficult job sampling really is.
I don't think you can lose at a price like that

[Squids]

Let's try to stay on topic. Those of your who are veterans on KVR know how those discussions can spin out of control or offend some people. I realize it is a highly opinionated thing. I personally wish that there was no way for people to cheat the system and everyone had to buy what they use and there was a simple way for people to resell it with a nominal transfer fee paid by the new user but... that can't be done without making people use dongles and jump through hoops... we'd rather just trust you and hope you respect, understand and appreciate why there's a need to protect a fragile sound industry.

Anyway, if you want to continue to discuss with us about it then let's do that in the SR forum. If you want to talk in general about it then use the other thread in the Marketplace dedicated to that. THIS thread is about DRUMS and the people interested in buying them at a great deal! Thanks.

[bronxsound]

THIS thread is about DRUMS and the people interested in buying them at a great deal! Thanks.

+1

[Anahat]

bronxsound, Squids, zedd, hydemusic, thanks for the replies, guys.

THIS thread is about DRUMS and the people interested in buying them at a great deal!

You're right, let's talk about drums

[bronxsound]

we @ 147 3 left to next price drop