KVR Audio

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:39 pm

Well,if this helps....
I just got off the phone with one of the lead developers of DP he also is one of the beta
testers for the Windows & Mac versions.
The Windows version will be released shortly,no specific time frame but he assured me it's close and it's running great! The other point for all of the people upset that there's no demo versions, last time I
checked ProTools & Logic don't have demo versions as well,so this decision isn't that
unusual.
MOTU will soon be having more video tutorials online to show DP's capabilities.

warp x · Post by **warp x** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:55 am

It seems they're almost ready.
http://www.motu.com/products/software/dp

sockofgold · Post by **sockofgold** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:14 pm

kgdrum wrote:Well,if this helps....
I just got off the phone with one of the lead developers of DP he also is one of the beta
testers for the Windows & Mac versions.
The Windows version will be released shortly,no specific time frame but he assured me it's close and it's running great! The other point for all of the people upset that there's no demo versions, last time I
checked ProTools & Logic don't have demo versions as well,so this decision isn't that
unusual.
MOTU will soon be having more video tutorials online to show DP's capabilities.

The lead dev is a beta tester? No, that's not how it works.

Developers cannot beta-test their own software. That defeats the very purpose of a "tester."

Also, Pro Tools does have a demo, and Logic Pro is $200. A program that is $500 should have a demo. Not saying it's "okay" that Logic doesn't have a demo, but there is a HUGE price difference to take into account, especially considering that they are entering a market of Windows users who have never used or likely even seen DP used. But whatever, if they don't want to release a demo, that's their choice. I'm sure MOTU believes they know what they're doing.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:53 pm

There's a theme called 'None more black'.

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:55 pm

lotus2035 wrote:There's a theme called 'None more black'.

Yeah, that made me chuckle also. It lived up to the name, IMO.

antoyne · Post by **antoyne** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:00 pm

Let's hope that they will provide a 'crossgrade offer', otherwise I don't see Cubase or Live users shift to DP8 just because they're offering now a Windows version.

sockofgold wrote:
kgdrum wrote:Well,if this helps....
I just got off the phone with one of the lead developers of DP he also is one of the beta
testers for the Windows & Mac versions.
The Windows version will be released shortly,no specific time frame but he assured me it's close and it's running great! The other point for all of the people upset that there's no demo versions, last time I
checked ProTools & Logic don't have demo versions as well,so this decision isn't that
unusual.
MOTU will soon be having more video tutorials online to show DP's capabilities.
The lead dev is a beta tester? No, that's not how it works. Developers cannot beta-test their own software. That defeats the very purpose of a "tester."

Also, Pro Tools does have a demo, and Logic Pro is $200. A program that is $500 should have a demo. Not saying it's "okay" that Logic doesn't have a demo, but there is a HUGE price difference to take into account, especially considering that they are entering a market of Windows users who have never used or likely even seen DP used. But whatever, if they don't want to release a demo, that's their choice. I'm sure MOTU believes they know what they're doing.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:07 pm

kgdrum wrote:The other point for all of the people upset that there's no demo versions, last time I checked ProTools & Logic don't have demo versions as well,so this decision isn't that unusual.
MOTU will soon be having more video tutorials online to show DP's capabilities.

Perhaps not unusual on the Mac (I wouldn't know...) but it IS unusual on Windows. Nearly all the main Windows DAW software offers a demo.

The important question to me as a Windows user is: will MOTU understand the PC market sufficiently to gain a sustainable foothold. I certainly wouldn't want to fork out that kind of money, without a demo, if they are unlikely to succeed. (i.e. I wouldn't want to be left with something they end up abandoning due to not understanding the market correctly).

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:02 pm

headquest wrote: Perhaps not unusual on the Mac (I wouldn't know...) but it IS unusual on Windows. Nearly all the main Windows DAW software offers a demo.

Pro Tools and Cubase don't have demos that I know of?

I agree with demos, not saying you're wrong to want one, just that not all Windows DAWs have demos. I think it makes it difficult when purchasing for sure. IMO though a DAW is a little too intense to just demo for 30 days and buy. I ran demos of Live 1, 2 and 3 before jumping in at 3, and it wasn't the demos that made me realize Lives features were right for me.

The main thing for me is the feature set, and stability of the DAW. I found that Cubase wasn't stable when I was looking for a new DAW, and Logic was, plus a few Logic features at the time sold me. I use Live and DP now because of the feature sets, not the demos. DP is a very different beast to work with than Logic, Sonar and Cubase, Studio One etc. and a demo might actually be crippling in a way, since you wouldn't readjust your workflow to DP in time and assume it wasn't on par with all the other DAWs that are linear and derivative of each other.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:24 pm

Cubase's demo:

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cu ... rsion.html

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:02 pm

do you still need a dongle to demo cubey?

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:10 pm

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hibidy wrote:do you still need a dongle to demo cubey?

yeah. IMO MOTU aren't that worried about the demo thing. DP has been a cult following type DAW for most of its quarter century existence, so a core group of people who know they want it will buy it.

Again not saying a demo isn't a good idea, just that MOTU definitely beat their own drum. They had MAS when VST came out, have never had a PDF of the full manual, no dongle and CD copy protection, and never adopted object oriented midi in either of their track sequencers.

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:48 pm

antoyne wrote:Let's hope that they will provide a 'crossgrade offer', otherwise I don't see Cubase or Live users shift to DP8 just because they're offering now a Windows version.

there is a crossgrade offer from other hosts.. price is on their site. if you click on the "upgrade" button.

Digital Performer 8 upgrade from competing product $395.00

antoyne · Post by **antoyne** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:16 pm

cheers

dayjob wrote:
antoyne wrote:Let's hope that they will provide a 'crossgrade offer', otherwise I don't see Cubase or Live users shift to DP8 just because they're offering now a Windows version.
there is a crossgrade offer from other hosts.. price is on their site. if you click on the "upgrade" button.

Digital Performer 8 upgrade from competing product $395.00

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:24 pm

Basically a $100 discount, which is a good saving for anyone buying anyway.

I gotta say... the audio plugs in there look really good so the cost doesn't seem out of line to me at all. I don't know much about included instruments but you couldn't really expect them to drop Mach 5 in there for free. As an audio / midi workstation it seems to be rather well stocked though.

Interesting that it has a Cubase-like drum editor.

Anyway, I'll give that thing a serious demo run on my Win 7 system if they do decide to have a demo version.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:45 am

sockofgold wrote:
kgdrum wrote:Well,if this helps....
I just got off the phone with one of the lead developers of DP he also is one of the beta
testers for the Windows & Mac versions.
The Windows version will be released shortly,no specific time frame but he assured me it's close and it's running great! The other point for all of the people upset that there's no demo versions, last time I
checked ProTools & Logic don't have demo versions as well,so this decision isn't that
unusual.
MOTU will soon be having more video tutorials online to show DP's capabilities.
The lead dev is a beta tester? No, that's not how it works. Developers cannot beta-test their own software. That defeats the very purpose of a "tester."

Also, Pro Tools does have a demo, and Logic Pro is $200. A program that is $500 should have a demo. Not saying it's "okay" that Logic doesn't have a demo, but there is a HUGE price difference to take into account, especially considering that they are entering a market of Windows users who have never used or likely even seen DP used. But whatever, if they don't want to release a demo, that's their choice. I'm sure MOTU believes they know what they're doing.

He's 1 of many,if you don't think developers unofficially participate in testing products,you're WRONG ! lol

I do beta testing for a few companies,so I know the procedures,lol

Digital Performer 8 Goes Windows!