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electro · Post by **electro** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:30 pm

I don't know what all this talk about DIVA is because Lush-101 is supposed to sound the same as the Roland SH-101.

d16 has one of the most user friendly copy protection systems.

ford442 · Post by **ford442** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:16 am

i am a little concerned that there is no mention of 'draft' modes or lowered polyphony. i only have a Q9650 3.0ghz and i want to run DIVAs at the same time!

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:24 am

My inner GAS is about to explode looking at the countdown timer! AARGHHH!!! Just slap me and call me dirty names!!!

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:29 am

6 More days?

SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:49 am

The SH-101 was a fun pop monophonic synthesizer. It looked like it was designed for Devo and very well may have been (Jim Mothersbaugh worked for Roland.)Skinny sound.

This VST instrument is just way too big and full of features to be compared. Needs to be judged on its own merits.

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:03 am

SODDI wrote:The SH-101 was a fun pop monophonic synthesizer. It looked like it was designed for Devo and very well may have been (Jim Mothersbaugh worked for Roland.)Skinny sound.

This VST instrument is just way too big and full of features to be compared. Needs to be judged on its own merits.

Lush is a Polyphonic SH-101. Supposed to sound the same.

SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:06 am

[quote="electro"]Lush is a Polyphonic SH-101. Supposed to sound the same.[/quote]

Sure hope not. Disappointment will run rampant.

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:27 am

I had a play with the original SH-101 loong time ago. Indeed it sounds thin and reminded me of early/mid 80's synthpop.

However, Lush has 8 friggin layers, if this thing will sound thin, its because the programming sucks - this, I am sure of.

ford442 · Post by **ford442** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:36 am

i have had a 101 for some years and i would not call it 'thin' - it has a lot of analog punch and richness - way more than most VST synths anyway. it will be really cool to have poly and to modulate parameters without modding like i've had to do. also, most hardware 101s tend to bleed 1 volt from their output running a pleasant 60hz hum into everything. so, the time has come in my mind - if it can stack up to DIVA, then i think that the race is on to emulate every analog!

i am ready to buy, i am sick of letting the SH warm up for 20 minutes and then still ending up recording off pitch...

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:16 am

I don't have *Diva* or this (didn't 'beta' it) yet, but IMHO from what I have heard thus far, their "SOUND" compliments each other.

BOTH seem like good investments to me, given the shear magnitude of the awesome sounds and parameter flexibility on offer.

[2c]

ford442 · Post by **ford442** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:26 am

there is a demo of DIVA for all to enjoy - http://www.u-he.com/cms/diva

DrWashington · Post by **DrWashington** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:40 am

Yeah, that's basically it: they're definitely synths of different character, but complementary. Diva has really become nicely refined, but I was a very early adopter and it was not initially. It was quite buggy at first, but Urs did a great job of cleaning it up and making it into a profoundly high quality synth.

I expect much the same from LuSH in terms of refinement over time, although there really aren't any major bugs of which I'm currently aware. It's definitely not just an SH-101 emulator, though that's where it draws its inspiration. It has TWO quality modes, Normal and High, vs. Diva's four. Maybe this will expand at some point... who can say?

I sure hope they work toward multicore support at some point. Given D16's track record of pretty radical improvements to their existing line, I don't think this is at all outside the realm of possibility.

I've already stated that I think this synth sounds fantastic, and it really does. Is it worth the asking price? It really depends on what you're after, sonically. If you're after a really tough-sounding VA that can handle a huge range of bread-&-butter synth duties, then yeah, it is. Some of the preview presets are incredibly modern-sounding and impressive.

I think what they're driving at by the 'only synth you need' line is that it really is quite versatile, especially given the 8 layers. I wouldn't take that literally, though--I wouldn't for a moment claim that it could take the place of Alchemy or Omnisphere in my studio. It's apples and oranges, really.

But, if you're making house, techno, electro, dubstep, D&B, whatever else, yeah, you probably can get away with a WHOLE lot using just LuSH & some cleverness. So, if you've never bought a synth before and want to make some very legitimate-sounding electronic music, this could well be the only synth you really need for a good long time.

So, all in all, I'd say it's a really competently crafted analog emulation capable of some really solid, impressive sounds. It can definitely be rough on the CPU with the more sophisticated presets, but I also expect that to improve in the coming months. The sound of just a single, raw oscillator though is so rich and satisfying (really!) that I couldn't possibly fault them for it. D16 is known for paying obsessive attention to sound quality, and this thing is probably their masterpiece in that regard so far. It really is up there with the very best at the moment, sonically.

I've always thought many of their plugins were rather under-priced (I mean, Syntorus, Toraverb, Fazortan, and Redopter especially can be so sublimely good-sounding at high quality settings that I just can't imagine why they're so often overlooked by people who would rather spend more on well-marketed, similarly targeted but mediocre-by-comparison plugins), so I think what they're asking is kind of a 'time to take us more seriously' adjustment. I daresay they deserve it at this point. This thing's a monster, and I expect it to evolve in the coming months into something incredibly usable, much like Diva did. At the moment, it's quite usable, but you will need a modern computer. Don't kid yourself: this will crush a four or five year old computer. If you want to get the most out of it, time to upgrade.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:52 am

ford442 wrote:there is a demo of DIVA for all to enjoy - http://www.u-he.com/cms/diva

There's a demo of herpes available too if you look hard enough.
Luckily though this thread is about Lush101.

jethrobull · Post by **jethrobull** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:54 am

Mushy Mushy wrote:
ford442 wrote:there is a demo of DIVA for all to enjoy - http://www.u-he.com/cms/diva
There's a demo of herpes available too if you look hard enough.
Luckily though this thread is about Lush101.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:03 am

dalor wrote:I had a play with the original SH-101 loong time ago. Indeed it sounds thin and reminded me of early/mid 80's synthpop.

However, Lush has 8 friggin layers, if this thing will sound thin, its because the programming sucks - this, I am sure of.

I like thin sounds... lots of times fat sounds take up too much room... I appreciate synths that can make good sounding thin sounds...

LuSH-101