KVR Audio

~Pd~ · Post by **~Pd~** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:12 pm

V0RT3X wrote:
masterhiggins wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Kindred wrote:$149 for this synth however, would be insanity.
$149 isn't a lot if it sounds good. Does it sound good?
It does sound good, but unfortunately for half that price you can get Synthmaster on sale and it's better in every way imaginable. However, unlike UA-2, Synthmaster's tab's are actually logical and necessary.

-Sam

Yup complete with lots of bugs and a filter that steps when the resonance is cranked way up

Interesting, I hadn't noticed that but you're right. However it does that only when the cutoff is manipulated with the mouse or a midi controller. Assigning LFO or an envelope to the cutoff parameter doesn't cause steppiness, so the problem isn't in the filter itself.

Have you mentioned this to Bulent on the KV331 subforum?

FWIW I like 'em both.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:16 pm

~Pd~ wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:
masterhiggins wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Kindred wrote:$149 for this synth however, would be insanity.
$149 isn't a lot if it sounds good. Does it sound good?
It does sound good, but unfortunately for half that price you can get Synthmaster on sale and it's better in every way imaginable. However, unlike UA-2, Synthmaster's tab's are actually logical and necessary.

-Sam

Yup complete with lots of bugs and a filter that steps when the resonance is cranked way up
Interesting, I hadn't noticed that but you're right. However it does that only when the cutoff is manipulated with the mouse or a midi controller. Assigning LFO or an envelope to the cutoff parameter doesn't cause steppiness, so the problem isn't in the filter itself.

Have you mentioned this to Bulent on the KV331 subforum?

FWIW I like 'em both.

Nope I ended up selling it to another person because it caused me way too many crashes in Live9.

It was a nice synth, i liked the idea behind it but i didnt really gel with my workflow.

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:55 pm

V0RT3X wrote:
masterhiggins wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Kindred wrote:$149 for this synth however, would be insanity.
$149 isn't a lot if it sounds good. Does it sound good?
It does sound good, but unfortunately for half that price you can get Synthmaster on sale and it's better in every way imaginable. However, unlike UA-2, Synthmaster's tab's are actually logical and necessary.

-Sam

Yup complete with lots of bugs and a filter that steps when the resonance is cranked way up

Yes, programs sometimes develop bugs when NEW features are implemented. Fortunately, as UA-2 doesn't bother to implement any significant changes they don't really have to worry about them. However, on Logic I haven't noticed a single bug (besides the filter step). It's actually one of the few synths (besides u-he's) that's NEVER crashed my system. Different strokes I guess.

-Sam

Integratron · Post by **Integratron** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:25 pm

I noticed something that seemed wierd using version 2.6 of Studio One. I had two instances on separate tracks and I could not load a different preset on each instance. In other words, if I loaded preset A on instance one, preset A would be loaded on instance 2.

Does this seem right?

Kindred · Post by **Kindred** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:48 pm

rasmusklump wrote:
sebaden wrote:
rasmusklump wrote:Count me in with the people that don't like the new gui. Together with the fact that I can use my third party soundsets no longer with it, even for 29,00 I won't update.
the 600+ new sounds are worth the money alone. the gui is no problem for me (same as lizard4) i like that.

a few third party sounddesigners confirmed here how helpful aas is with converting their banks to v2 btw..

so you can't accept a different opinion than yours ?

erm, that is a strange post tbh...the dude is just giving his own opinion - not denying others' rights to their own...

Kindred · Post by **Kindred** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:51 pm

V0RT3X wrote:
~Pd~ wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:
masterhiggins wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Kindred wrote:$149 for this synth however, would be insanity.
$149 isn't a lot if it sounds good. Does it sound good?
It does sound good, but unfortunately for half that price you can get Synthmaster on sale and it's better in every way imaginable. However, unlike UA-2, Synthmaster's tab's are actually logical and necessary.

-Sam

Yup complete with lots of bugs and a filter that steps when the resonance is cranked way up
Interesting, I hadn't noticed that but you're right. However it does that only when the cutoff is manipulated with the mouse or a midi controller. Assigning LFO or an envelope to the cutoff parameter doesn't cause steppiness, so the problem isn't in the filter itself.

Have you mentioned this to Bulent on the KV331 subforum?

FWIW I like 'em both.
Nope I ended up selling it to another person because it caused me way too many crashes in Live9.

It was a nice synth, i liked the idea behind it but i didnt really gel with my workflow.

me too - that synth was so close to be great but let down by initially releasing it with that buffer setting bug - first time I ever bought a synth I flat out couldn't use on my standard system - made me so mad I never forgave it

Kindred · Post by **Kindred** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:57 pm

ok, after playing around with UA-2 yesterday I reached the following conclusions -

- I REALLY like the sound - I am going to be able to use this regularly I think
- I don't mind the 3 main tabs (play, edit, fx)
- That SSL-style onboard compressor is pretty nice when not pushed too hard
- I HATE those tiny tabs for LFO, VCO, FILTER etc on each VCO tab - that is a nightmare to navigate for someone who likes to tweak
- There seems to be no logical reason why they have made the overall GUI so tiny and then used tabs. Fair enough if they had so much to pack in that even with a big GUI they needed tabs - but the GUI could be much larger and without tabs. This is exacerbated by the fact that that logo takes up a huge amount of the GUI

I am confident the devs will take this on board and do a major re-tweak of what could be a fantastic synth.

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:43 am

Kindred wrote:ok, after playing around with UA-2 yesterday I reached the following conclusions -

- I REALLY like the sound - I am going to be able to use this regularly I think
- I don't mind the 3 main tabs (play, edit, fx)
- That SSL-style onboard compressor is pretty nice when not pushed too hard
- I HATE those tiny tabs for LFO, VCO, FILTER etc on each VCO tab - that is a nightmare to navigate for someone who likes to tweak
- There seems to be no logical reason why they have made the overall GUI so tiny and then used tabs. Fair enough if they had so much to pack in that even with a big GUI they needed tabs - but the GUI could be much larger and without tabs. This is exacerbated by the fact that that logo takes up a huge amount of the GUI

I am confident the devs will take this on board and do a major re-tweak of what could be a fantastic synth.

I pretty much never use fx on my soft synths so that fx tab doesn't bother me one bit. in fact it is welcomed since it will take them off the edit and play page.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:44 am

masterhiggins wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:
masterhiggins wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Kindred wrote:$149 for this synth however, would be insanity.
$149 isn't a lot if it sounds good. Does it sound good?
It does sound good, but unfortunately for half that price you can get Synthmaster on sale and it's better in every way imaginable. However, unlike UA-2, Synthmaster's tab's are actually logical and necessary.

-Sam

Yup complete with lots of bugs and a filter that steps when the resonance is cranked way up
Yes, programs sometimes develop bugs when NEW features are implemented. Fortunately, as UA-2 doesn't bother to implement any significant changes they don't really have to worry about them. However, on Logic I haven't noticed a single bug (besides the filter step). It's actually one of the few synths (besides u-he's) that's NEVER crashed my system. Different strokes I guess.

-Sam

UA-2? I was talking about synthmaster.

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:05 am

V0RT3X wrote:UA-2? I was talking about synthmaster bro.

I know you were. I guess I'm kind of lucky as I've never had any problems with SM bug-wise. I really like having a synth that I can look forward to actually evolving instead of just adding a new GUI and a couple of FX and calling it a day. Software development-wise that's depressing as f**k.

-Sam

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:07 am

masterhiggins wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:UA-2? I was talking about synthmaster bro.
I know you were. I guess I'm kind of lucky as I've never had any problems with SM bug-wise. I really like having a synth that I can look forward to actually evolving instead of just adding a new GUI and a couple of FX and calling it a day. Software development-wise that's depressing as f**k.

-Sam

maybe its just my system but it seems my OSX system has had serious problems running it. Trust me I would have kept this synth if it would run without any problems but it just kept crashing on me when i wanted to craft my own sounds from scratch! I have no idea behind software development apart from the fact that the developer should use a very organized system before they implement their code or else it can run astray...

fluffy_little_something · Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:44 am

While there are lots of panels and subpanels, judging from the screenshots the important controls of the subpanels are all on the main edit panel as well, so most of the time there probably is no need to access the subpanels, especially not several of them at the same time.

(It's a bit like with Tal's Noizemaker, it also has several panels.)

For that price the sound should really blow you away. But then again, maybe it is like with Wave's Element, that was also introduced as a premium synth, and then there was one promotion after the other as they probably realized their final price was just too high.

I have AAS' legacy Rhodes plugin, a bargain from the Roland site, it seems pretty good, although not the latest stuff of course.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:56 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:While there are lots of panels and subpanels, judging from the screenshots the important controls of the subpanels are all on the main edit panel as well, so most of the time there probably is no need to access the subpanels, especially not several of them at the same time.

Actually that's what I like about AAS. Same thing with AAS Lounge Lizard EP-4. You have the most important controls on the front page. And you can edit everything on sub tabs...

fluffy_little_something · Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:26 am

OK, tried the demo. Many presets seem way too loud, and with too many effects on them. It does sound nice, but I did hear some noise occasionally. CPU usage is modest, though.

I can't read any of those control value readouts, just too small for my eyes. The markers on the knobs are not visible enough. The whole GUI is a bit smallish, I guess after half an hour my eyes would pop out.

No thanks...

Biscotto · Post by **Biscotto** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:06 am

V0RT3X wrote: Nope I ended up selling it to another person because it caused me way too many crashes in Live9.

It was a nice synth, i liked the idea behind it but i didnt really gel with my workflow.

Sorry you couldn't solve your problems.
Hopefully one day you'll get it back and enjoy the vast potential of SM.

Back on topic, I was quite lucky to get UA for $49 upgrade from Session which I paid $19.95 for a total of $69.
I wish they had the same deal for Lounge Lizard. (Greedy

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