Fire your singers folks, Vocaloid 5 is here!

[wagtunes]

Have you thought about making instrumentals instead?

I have probably recorded more instrumentals in 40 plus years than anybody at this forum. I'm tired of doing instrumentals. I want to do vocal tracks and vocal tracks for girls, something I could never do.

That's what I want to do. Not another instrumental.

[wagtunes]

So can we PLEASE drop this already?

Yes...but since you reminded me, not until I've posted this...https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... you-cringe

Do carry on..

Interesting reading. But it doesn't change how I feel.

[SirkusPi]

Finished my first Vocaloid 5 track. Kept it simple for a first try. Not easy to work with but tolerable. The lack of sync between DAW and Editor is a real PITA.

Anyway, this is Amy on lead vocal. She doesn't sound all that bad.

Definitely not bad. Stop trying to tempt me into reversing my decision not to get this!
When you were assembling this, how much, if at all, did you use the new attack and ending features in the V5 engine? And how much, if at all, did you change the phonemes through manual editing, as opposed to going with what V5 automatically assigned? I'm just wondering whether, with more time & effort, this could have been made even more clear, and a couple of rough pronunciations perhaps smoothed over. (I'm not saying you should have for this demo song; I'm just wondering if there is more that could be done, or if this "maxes out" Amy's potential in your view?)

[phoneyk]

Indeed, a vocal part tot a tune makes one think differently of the song.

I guess the instrumental parts can be repeated more without the song seem boring, as the lyrics create some interest.

[wagtunes]

Finished my first Vocaloid 5 track. Kept it simple for a first try. Not easy to work with but tolerable. The lack of sync between DAW and Editor is a real PITA.

Anyway, this is Amy on lead vocal. She doesn't sound all that bad.

Definitely not bad. Stop trying to tempt me into reversing my decision not to get this!
When you were assembling this, how much, if at all, did you use the new attack and ending features in the V5 engine? And how much, if at all, did you change the phonemes through manual editing, as opposed to going with what V5 automatically assigned? I'm just wondering whether, with more time & effort, this could have been made even more clear, and a couple of rough pronunciations perhaps smoothed over. (I'm not saying you should have for this demo song; I'm just wondering if there is more that could be done, or if this "maxes out" Amy's potential in your view?)

This should actually make you quite happy. All I did was pull up the preset "To The Stars" because I like the way it sounds. Other than that, didn't do a thing. So yes, I'm sure there is much more that can be done.

[rezoneight]

I listened to the example you posted of yourself singing with Vocaloid as the backing singer. It sounded better than Vocaloid on its own by a long shot. Suit yourself but I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by refusing to do your own vocals and correcting them.

Doesn't matter what you think. I hate singing. I'm not singing anymore. Case closed.

Yeah I suppose ultimately it doesn't. Doesn't mean you've got to be a douchebag about it. Sorry to bother you.

Because I'm sick and tired of people telling me Vocaloid sucks and I should sing. You think you're the first one to tell me this? I'm tired of it. Enough already. So yeah, I'm gonna be a douche bag about it if people keep getting on my case about it.

"Because I'm sick and tired of people telling me Vocaloid sucks and I should sing." doesn't give you license to be a douchebag buddy.

I never said Vocaloid sucks, I said it makes every track sound like Anime, which sounds great if you're trying to write that type of music. Neat from a technology perspective but it makes your tracks sound like crap (yes I know I'm not the first to say that) because you're not writing the type of music where that sound sounds good. You posted an example of someone who took one of your tracks, redid it, and sang themselves. And it sounded good. So when people say your tracks are better with a real singer, and would be better with a real singer...if it walks like a duck...

Yeah I get it. You hate singing. You're not going to hire a singer. So by all means, keep using the software that makes your tracks sound bad when they don't have to.

And ya know what? My other posts were not "getting on your case". How odd to get a compliment about your music when *you're* singing it and then attack the person giving the compliment. Stop being such a freaking delicate flower.

Not tone deaf (crazy is debateable)...I've been a musician for about 35 years. Tone deafness is not a problem I have.

[wagtunes]

I listened to the example you posted of yourself singing with Vocaloid as the backing singer. It sounded better than Vocaloid on its own by a long shot. Suit yourself but I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by refusing to do your own vocals and correcting them.

Doesn't matter what you think. I hate singing. I'm not singing anymore. Case closed.

Yeah I suppose ultimately it doesn't. Doesn't mean you've got to be a douchebag about it. Sorry to bother you.

Because I'm sick and tired of people telling me Vocaloid sucks and I should sing. You think you're the first one to tell me this? I'm tired of it. Enough already. So yeah, I'm gonna be a douche bag about it if people keep getting on my case about it.

"Because I'm sick and tired of people telling me Vocaloid sucks and I should sing." doesn't give you license to be a douchebag buddy.

I never said Vocaloid sucks, I said it makes every track sound like Anime, which sounds great if you're trying to write that type of music. Neat from a technology perspective but it makes your tracks sound like crap (yes I know I'm not the first to say that) because you're not writing the type of music where that sound sounds good. You posted an example of someone who took one of your tracks, redid it, and sang themselves. And it sounded good. So when people say your tracks are better with a real singer, and would be better with a real singer...if it walks like a duck...

Yeah I get it. You hate singing. You're not going to hire a singer. So by all means, keep using the software that makes your tracks sound bad when they don't have to.

And ya know what? My other posts were not "getting on your case". How odd to get a compliment about your music when *you're* singing it and then attack the person giving the compliment. Stop being such a freaking delicate flower.

Can I ask you a question? I'm being serious here. Why are we beating a dead horse? I would need to have a gun pointed to my head to get me to sing on another track of mine.

So what am I supposed to do, stop writing? Should I just sell all my stuff and take up something else?

Seriously, tell me. What am I supposed to do given that I'm not hiring singers and I'm not singing on any of my songs.

What are my other options if I want to do vocal based music?

Yes, it's a serious question.

[rezoneight]

I'm not sure you noticed but rezoneight kinda gave you a compliment along with some good general advice there.

Thank you for noticing. I just don't get people anymore. Come to a posting in a forum, give someone a compliment, and they piss on you anyhow. Wow.

[wagtunes]

I'm not sure you noticed but rezoneight kinda gave you a compliment along with some good general advice there.

Thank you for noticing. I just don't get people anymore. Come to a posting in a forum, give someone a compliment, and they piss on your anyhow. Wow.

I'm sorry. This is a sore subject for me. If I had a dollar for every time somebody said to stop using Vocaloid and either hire a singer or sing yourself I'd be a rich man by now.

Over at Gearslutz they actually flat out told me to stop posting my music there. When I told the mods they laughed. But that's what I have to deal with.

We accept all this synthesized stuff but man, use synthesized vocals and it's like you're committing a crime.

In a technology based medium, I don't get it.

[The Noodlist]

I've not read all the posts, I just have a query.

I don't sing, can't sing and won't sing. I don't like hearing my voice.
Anyway, in theory, could someone record their vocals, then, apply Melodyne to convert it to midi data. Then use Vocaloid with the midi data.
If the Vocaloid software does this, anyway. please forgive my ignorance.

Singing and midi are not among my strong points.

[rezoneight]

I'm not sure you noticed but rezoneight kinda gave you a compliment along with some good general advice there.

Thank you for noticing. I just don't get people anymore. Come to a posting in a forum, give someone a compliment, and they piss on your anyhow. Wow.

I'm sorry. This is a sore subject for me. If I had a dollar for every time somebody said to stop using Vocaloid and either hire a singer or sing yourself I'd be a rich man by now.

Over at Gearslutz they actually flat out told me to stop posting my music there. When I told the mods they laughed. But that's what I have to deal with.

We accept all this synthesized stuff but man, use synthesized vocals and it's like you're committing a crime.

In a technology based medium, I don't get it.

Dude, nobody just "accepts all this synthesized stuff". I don't care if the vocals are synthesized, they just sound terrible. Its no different than a cheesy synth sound or a bad sample library.

As to your other question, collaborate. You know people here to speak to (you posted an example from one). Stop worrying about quantity and concentrate on quality. Least that's my opinion. Take it or leave it. My intent wasn't to get on your case or be a dick, but to compliment you and provide some constructive feedback. Sorry if it touched a sore spot but I don't read every word posted by you or anyone else here so me coming into this thread wasn't me beating a dead horse.

[WinterdrivE]

I've not read all the posts, I just have a query.

I don't sing, can't sing and won't sing. I don't like hearing my voice.
Anyway, in theory, could someone record their vocals, then, apply Melodyne to convert it to midi data. Then use Vocaloid with the midi data.
If the Vocaloid software does this, anyway. please forgive my ignorance.

Singing and midi are not among my strong points.

I don't know about Melodyne or its capabilities, but VOCALOID 5 now retains pitch bend information from MIDIs (or so I've read), so assuming Melodyne could export such a MIDI, then hypothetically yes, it could be done.

A similar plugin made specifically for VOCALOID already exists, called Vocalistener. It in and of itself has a price, though (something like $100 if I remember correctly?).　　(@ 2:12 & 3:21 for the audio.)

[wagtunes]

I'm not sure you noticed but rezoneight kinda gave you a compliment along with some good general advice there.

Thank you for noticing. I just don't get people anymore. Come to a posting in a forum, give someone a compliment, and they piss on your anyhow. Wow.

I'm sorry. This is a sore subject for me. If I had a dollar for every time somebody said to stop using Vocaloid and either hire a singer or sing yourself I'd be a rich man by now.

Over at Gearslutz they actually flat out told me to stop posting my music there. When I told the mods they laughed. But that's what I have to deal with.

We accept all this synthesized stuff but man, use synthesized vocals and it's like you're committing a crime.

In a technology based medium, I don't get it.

Dude, nobody just "accepts all this synthesized stuff". I don't care if the vocals are synthesized, they just sound terrible. Its no different than a cheesy synth sound or a bad sample library.

As to your other question, collaborate. You know people here to speak to (you posted an example from one). Stop worrying about quantity and concentrate on quality. Least that's my opinion. Take it or leave it. My intent wasn't to get on your case or be a dick, but to compliment you and provide some constructive feedback. Sorry if it touched a sore spot but I don't read every word posted by you or anyone else here so me coming into this thread wasn't me beating a dead horse.

I have had people offer to do my music. One person actually did. You heard it. Everybody else? Just talk. They say "sure" and that's the last I hear from them.

People want to be paid for their work and I can understand that. I don't have the money to spend on vocals. I've been down that road more than I can count and don't want to get into THAT conversation again. I am just sick of this. Maybe I need to post a disclaimer before every track that I post so that people will just leave me alone. But then the regulars will get tired of the disclaimer. So I can't win either way.

And the ONLY reason I even posted anything in this thread at all is because it's relevant to the subject of Vocaloid. I mean that is what we're discussing here, right? So posting human vocals here doesn't even make any sense. It would be OT and I'm sure other people, who are only interested in Vocaloid, would tell me to stop posting my "human" vocals, good or bad.

For the most part, I confine my music postings to Music Cafe. And so I don't dominate the whole forum, I put all my tracks in one thread, unlike some people who have 50 different threads floating around that forum, not that I personally have a problem with it. But some people do when they go there and they see 10 threads by one person. Believe me, I try to subject people to my "crap" as little as possible without giving up my right to post my music just like anybody else in this forum.

Anyway, I apologize. I didn't mean to rip your head off. I still can't believe you think I sing well or even passable. But I guess everybody hears things differently. Some people have told me to never sing again and I can't even argue with them because I myself hate my voice. I sure as hell don't expect them to like it.

[GearNostalgia]

Finished my first Vocaloid 5 track. Kept it simple for a first try. Not easy to work with but tolerable. The lack of sync between DAW and Editor is a real PITA.

Anyway, this is Amy on lead vocal. She doesn't sound all that bad.

(Nothing But) Seasons

Sounds okey to me. She sounds more airy and breathy than the other Vocas I have heard and that is a good thing. So it seems to me that you have been harsh on the new Vocas. Good demo. Just wondering, do you have Melodyne? I wonder if it would be possible to change the tone of Vocas using Melodynes "synth to chance the harmonics".

[GearNostalgia]

People telling me my voice sounds good makes me think they're either tone deaf or crazy. I hear my voice and I cringe. It used to be passable when I was younger. In fact, there were times when it was decent. But now? Forget it. I'd rather walk on broken glass than ever make another recording of me singing.

So can we PLEASE drop this already?

I perfectly understand you. I don't like to hear my own voice either. There is always people that will just keep poking you with the same point over and over. They may have good intentions about it, but if it gets repeated a lot it gets annoying in the end. Music and sounds is a sensual and emotional experience. We all like different things, lets just leave it with that.

I am very glad you share your honest opinions about Vocaloids cause I have recently learned not to trust salesmens demos. The Yamaha demo gave me the impression that Cubase would load the full new interface and that the new phrases would improove the experience a lot, but it seems like it is not all that great in terms of workflow. Did they respond to your request for a refund BTW?