Why you left REAPER?

[imrae]

I derive a great deal of inspiration from a 90's style
german turbine factory...

Especially if it is powered by alternative energy...

It would be efficient and productive...

I guess that's why I prefer Reaper to any other DAW...

It is a model of unequaled efficiency and productivity in my musical world

Kraftwerk intensifies

[dupont]

Currently not left but stuck notes issue with VSTI piss me off

[chk071]

Currently not left but stuck notes issue with VSTI piss me off

I always wondered what is meant with stuck notes.

While playing notes on your MIDI keyboard? I have it with some VSTi's that I get stuck notes when I play with the virtual MIDI keyboard via my computer keyboard in Studio One, but, I think that's down to whether or not the respective VSTi's supports operation via keyboard shortcuts, so, it mixes up the key input when you focus the plugin window, and operate some of the parameters.

[Niowiad]

Currently not left but stuck notes issue with VSTI piss me off

Did you try "Preferences > Playback > Reset MIDI CC/Pitch on: playback stop"
It was a nice surprise for me and it solved most cases

[kurviak]

I agree with Melkor. people wanting things to look a certain way to be 'inspiring' is alien to me because I make music with my ears. I know how condescending that sounds, but seriously - how do we imagine anything is/was ever done on hardware samplers with tiny LCD screens? or a tracker? or, god forbid, acoustic instruments with the dullest graphical interfaces possible: a row of black and white keys, or a wood panel with a bunch of grimy strings on it, or a piece of stretched out polyester that you smash with a stick...

you don't get inspiration by sitting there looking at those things, you get it by playing and listening. the process is the same in a DAW. if I want visual inspiration I go for a walk, I get away from the screen. the screen will not help you.

These lines are classic...and very true...

"or, god forbid, acoustic instruments with the dullest graphical interfaces possible: a row of black and white keys, or a wood panel with a bunch of grimy strings on it, or a piece of stretched out polyester that you smash with a stick..."

This is actually not true, most acoustic instruments have all kind of decoration, ornaments, embellishments beyond pure practical tools.

[dupont]

Currently not left but stuck notes issue with VSTI piss me off

Did you try "Preferences > Playback > Reset MIDI CC/Pitch on: playback stop"
It was a nice surprise for me and it solved most cases

yeah, tried everything but issue not solved, happens with some VSTi.

[lessera]

"or, god forbid, acoustic instruments with the dullest graphical interfaces possible: a row of black and white keys, or a wood panel with a bunch of grimy strings on it, or a piece of stretched out polyester that you smash with a stick..."

This is actually not true, most acoustic instruments have all kind of decoration, ornaments, embellishments beyond pure practical tools.

Musicians of yesteryear undoubtedly argued about those embellishments, as we argue about GUIs today.

"Your rosetta is made from sycamore and rosewood? Pfffft... That's so 1795. Everyone knows that mother of pearl is more inspirational!"

[jancivil]

I agree with Melkor. people wanting things to look a certain way to be 'inspiring' is alien to me because I make music with my ears. I know how condescending that sounds, but seriously - how do we imagine anything is/was ever done on hardware samplers with tiny LCD screens?

I don't need to imagine, I drew loop points on a display about the size of my thumb in hex because that was all there was for me. And we had to draw loop points to have anything sustain. Then Ensoniq came out with a GUI for the Mac.
I also prefer a GUI and all the features of say Cubase over editing audio rocking the tape back and forth over the playback head, marking it with a white grease pencil, cutting with a razor blade and taping the two ends together on a splicing board. And I will have preferences or comfort levels as to this graphical interface.

or, god forbid, acoustic instruments with the dullest graphical interfaces possible: a row of black and white keys, or a wood panel with a bunch of grimy strings on it, or a piece of stretched out polyester that you smash with a stick

Don't have to imagine that, I was a musician for decades before there was anything virtual whatsoever.
I would offer, however, that I preferred a good-looking guitar to a cigar box. Or maybe a natural color over some glaring red color, or whatever. Also note that people choose particular colors or such when they buy a drum kit.

you don't get inspiration by sitting there looking at those things, you get it by playing and listening. the process is the same in a DAW. if I want visual inspiration I go for a walk, I get away from the screen. the screen will not help you.

You really must be trying to miss the whole point here. REAPER is ugly af. This is not conducive to some people.
I am not reliant on a DAW for musical ideas, so I have no resemblence to this dull straw man at all. You have seized on the word 'uninspiring' to concoct a (fairly elaborate) story about people needing inspiration from the GUI. it's bullshit.
REAPER is SO ugly I simply want to quit it ASAP. It's not terrifically different than wanting a quality of light which is conducive to mood, but you're stuck with a glaring light where you need to leave the room.
Yeah, it sounds very condescending - in a reach - and as though you simply cannot recognize people might be different than you.

[machinesworking]

I agree with Melkor. people wanting things to look a certain way to be 'inspiring' is alien to me because I make music with my ears. I know how condescending that sounds, but seriously - how do we imagine anything is/was ever done on hardware samplers with tiny LCD screens?

I don't need to imagine, I drew loop points on a display about the size of my thumb in hex because that was all there was for me. And we had to draw loop points to have anything sustain. Then Ensoniq came out with a GUI for the Mac.
I also prefer a GUI and all the features of say Cubase over editing audio rocking the tape back and forth over the playback head, marking it with a white grease pencil, cutting with a razor blade and taping the two ends together on a splicing board. And I will have preferences or comfort levels as to this graphical interface.

or, god forbid, acoustic instruments with the dullest graphical interfaces possible: a row of black and white keys, or a wood panel with a bunch of grimy strings on it, or a piece of stretched out polyester that you smash with a stick

Don't have to imagine that, I was a musician for decades before there was anything virtual whatsoever.
I would offer, however, that I preferred a good-looking guitar to a cigar box. Or maybe a natural color over some glaring red color, or whatever. Also note that people choose particular colors or such when they buy a drum kit.

you don't get inspiration by sitting there looking at those things, you get it by playing and listening. the process is the same in a DAW. if I want visual inspiration I go for a walk, I get away from the screen. the screen will not help you.

You really must be trying to miss the whole point here. REAPER is ugly af. This is not conducive to some people.
I am not reliant on a DAW for musical ideas, so I have no resemblence to this dull straw man at all. You have seized on the word 'uninspiring' to concoct a (fairly elaborate) story about people needing inspiration from the GUI. it's bullshit.
REAPER is SO ugly I simply want to quit it ASAP. It's not terrifically different than wanting a quality of light which is conducive to mood, but you're stuck with a glaring light where you need to leave the room.
Yeah, it sounds very condescending - in a reach - and as though you simply cannot recognize people might be different than you.

It's one of the weirdest things to me that one of the youngest DAWs has the most conservative audience. Not politically, but as far as suggesting that the GUI etc. is in need of serious work, really any part of Reaper. No one outside of Reaper users says Reaper looks good, which isn't at all true of other DAWs. I don't use and probably never will use Studio One, but it's a good looking DAW to me. I'm glad Reaper has skins, but realistically even then some things are 1995 in a bad way.

[jancivil]

1995 in a bad way CF: Saw Studio

reflecting on this a second, I realized I actually have to stare at things GUI quite a lot of the time. Which is why I tweak the color scheme a bit, project window and key editor background colors for starters. It would be a real adjustment to go blind, I would need help. I have typically hundreds of parameters visible for automation, so the quality of the dark background means proper contrast = seeing the nodes and curves better, also in key editor (piano roll) the right degree of darkness makes the graphic effect, the contrast between white and black keys stand out and it's just easier.

[chk071]

It's one of the weirdest things to me that one of the youngest DAWs has the most conservative audience.

REAPER is rather the alternative progressive Linuxer's DAW. Far from being conservative in any way. Which is why it's so fugly.

[Melkor]

jancivil makes a good point.

A good, well coded GUI isn't a bad thing.
People record and arrange music in different ways, and, really, it's never evident which daw was used in a finished track.
So, whatever works.

I remember using Cubase VST and really clicking with its whole GUI, and I look at it now and it's ugly as hell... but I didn't think that at the time.

I also remember the first release of Cubase SX, and being really disappointed with the entire GUI/UX, and not because I thought it looked like utter ****, but because all that crap just seemed to get in the way.
And this is what I'm saying... Most daws have gotten pretty bloated, graphics wise. It's grown exponentially since those days.

I know what it's like to program on a crappy GUI.
Hell, I own an S2000.
Not as bare-bones as a Mirage, but damn...

After using that, the dialog boxes in Reaper look positively luxurious.

[machinesworking]

It's one of the weirdest things to me that one of the youngest DAWs has the most conservative audience.

REAPER is rather the alternative progressive Linuxer's DAW. Far from being conservative in any way. Which is why it's so fugly.

Yeah, no, that doesn't make a bit of sense. Conservative as a viewpoint is sticking to history, so any change to the traditional GUI is considered heresy. That it's scriptable etc. is besides the point, suggestions that the standard GUI is bad, dated etc. are met with outright anger. That's not an alternative or progressive viewpoint in the least.

[Tricky-Loops]

But there are also great REAPER GUIs like this one...

http://www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/i ... erial.html

And many other custom skins in the REAPER Resources - > Stash sub section on their website...

They should offer more great custom skins, I even would have paid some $ for it but now I'm on the (Bandlab) Cakewalk..cake we mice like much more than reapers...

[machinesworking]

But there are also great REAPER GUIs like this one...

http://www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/i ... erial.html

And many other custom skins in the REAPER Resources - > Stash sub section on their website...

They should offer more great custom skins, I even would have paid some $ for it but now I'm on the (Bandlab) Cakewalk..cake we mice like much more than reapers...

I don't know why everyone brings up that skin as an example of a great skin?? It's detailed for sure, it's also oversized except on 4K monitors and plagued with tiny interface elements.
I'm not against skeuomorphic design, but it should also have UI in mind as well.