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Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:07 pm

jmh wrote:I guess they don't teach trademark laws that well in America... or perhaps Igor slept through the classes

Only my professor would know

Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:24 pm

S_A_P wrote:The FL stands for Friggin Loser, if you are that concerned about the name of the software...

No need for name-calling just because you disagree with someone else's opinion, jerkoff.

moldofunker · Post by **moldofunker** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:12 am

"Fruity Loops" and "FL Studio" are perfect brands for the products. WHO did this, did a great job.. actually better than this couldn't be possible in this world

Becoming ontopic now.. when FL 5 will be out ?

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:41 am

let them work holy crap

i am sure that when fl studio 5 will come out
it will be a really beautifull software
hope this thread has allowed them to see what musicians users wanted , and i am sure that they are listening to any advices if they are possible and concrete , but now let them work

Peace

JMC · Post by **JMC** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:15 am

Igor 4000 wrote:if you admit that you missed the class on trademark infringement.

Actually it's the other way arround. We've had www.fruityloops.com for over 6 years and had more links to it than all combined Kellogs product domains together.

It's just when we applied for (and got) the Fruityloops trademark in Europe that Kelloggs started acting funny.

Gol is right that they don't have a leg to stand on but we don't have the money to act on their charges. It already set us back about $15.000 just answering their letters, ...

What Gol is not right about is that they are gonna loose the case (they never did in any of the 27 Froot Loops cases so far).

They even went so far as claiming (and getting) the 'Tucan' from a company 'Tucan Golfclubs' or something like that who had been producing clubs under that name for over 50 years.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

JMC · Post by **JMC** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:24 am

gol wrote:As for the 'loop' name, I think there's still a need for drum machines, and if it's not FL it's gonna be another one..

Anyway we look at it the word 'loop' is burnt by products like EJay & Acid. No one creating loops wants to be associated with anything called loops.

Half of the people nagging about/shitting on Fruityloops don't have a clue what it does and assume it just mixes pre-canned loops (one of the things it's worse at

)

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:45 am

(they never did in any of the 27 Froot Loops cases so far).

but I read the opposite

They even went so far as claiming (and getting) the 'Tucan' from a company 'Tucan Golfclubs'

from what I read they lost that one as well

JMC · Post by **JMC** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:49 pm

gol wrote:but I read the opposite

Our lawyer provided us with an 'official' list from the organisation that handles the US trademarks.

gol wrote:from what I read they lost that one as well

That's the main problem : In the cases they don't win they let their money and time play in their advantage (with apeals nobody can afford, ...).

In the Tucan case (which they lost) they (illegally) sent in a squat of suits to 'check out the companies books' ... making a lot of the Tucan staff think something was fishy and leave. I think they're out of business by now and guess who has the Tucan trademark now.

Anyway : We don't have the money ($15.000 so far) to spend on a name that's *costing* use money for the reasons we all know.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:23 pm

In other words: You're afraid they might check your books as well?

JMC · Post by **JMC** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:45 pm

jens wrote:In other words: You're afraid they might check your books as well ?

Not really : our books are as clean as they can be.

The problem was that the Tucan employees became insecure, lost their trust in the company and left.

I don't see anyone here leave the company because Kelloggs suits checking out the office.

On top of that we're in Belgium where it's 'not done' to have a competitor check out your office/books.

We'd probably just kick the hell out of those skinny accountants, film it and post it.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:27 pm

when a muso friend first told me about "this great program" called "fruityloops" i just smirked. with a name like that it couldn't be a serious app i thought.

of course now i've come around.

i thought the "fl studio" name was pretty good, got rid of the toy name but kept the history.

taking kentucky fried chicken as model, i suppose the next move is just "fls" with the fruit logo turning into some sort of non-fruit stylised shape ?

or take the windows 2000 or flash mx2004 approach ? that way you'd move to "fls05" which fits neatly for version number and the year ?

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:57 pm

taking kentucky fried chicken as model, i suppose the next move is just "fls" with the fruit logo turning into some sort of non-fruit stylised shape ?

the second biggest name in the computer & OS industry still has a fruit as a logo

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:15 pm

gol wrote:
taking kentucky fried chicken as model, i suppose the next move is just "fls" with the fruit logo turning into some sort of non-fruit stylised shape ?
the second biggest name in the computer & OS industry still has a fruit as a logo

Acorn?

cYrus · Post by **cYrus** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:31 pm

jens wrote:
gol wrote:
taking kentucky fried chicken as model, i suppose the next move is just "fls" with the fruit logo turning into some sort of non-fruit stylised shape ?
the second biggest name in the computer & OS industry still has a fruit as a logo
Acorn?

apple

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:44 pm

Emoticons are apparently generally indispensable.

FL Studio 5, when?