Logic Pro 11.2(.2)

[chagzuki]

No, use AI tools that yield good results, and check the sources if something looks peculiar.

[dasen]

why don't we all use the apple logic pro feedback form to push this? https://www.apple.com/feedback/logic-pro/

[Ploki]

why don't we all use the apple logic pro feedback form to push this? https://www.apple.com/feedback/logic-pro/

Push what exactly? AI hallucinations?

[Super Piano Hater 64]

No, use AI tools that yield good results, and check the sources if something looks peculiar.

That's the whole problem, though. The function of LLMs is to make convincing grammatical sentences out of total nonsense. That is not an exaggeration. It's literally how they work. Their largest input is random noise and they cannot function without it.

I await the type of architectural revolution that will make them capable of scalable, reliable introspection and self-directed fact checking. Until that day arrives, it falls to humans to fact check literally every word these things say.

[chagzuki]

I await the type of architectural revolution that will make them capable of scalable, reliable introspection and self-directed fact checking. Until that day arrives, it falls to humans to fact check literally every word these things say.

I don't really have the money to try paid stuff, so have mostly only used Grok. I've seen amazing examples of essays created by chatgpt though. Grok appears to just summarise the information collected from a number of sources all of which are listed, and whenever I've queried something that looked wrong it did a good job of correcting itself. It's pretty similar to asking a question on a forum, except on a forum the thread gets derailed and people start arguing.

[revvy]

JFC

[Ploki]

I don't really have the money to try paid stuff, so have mostly only used Grok. I've seen amazing examples of essays created by chatgpt though. Grok appears to just summarise the information collected from a number of sources all of which are listed, and whenever I've queried something that looked wrong it did a good job of correcting itself. It's pretty similar to asking a question on a forum, except on a forum the thread gets derailed and people start arguing.

silly me i thought it couldn't get any more terrible, here but you just had to go and prove me wrong.

what is it with old people and reckless use of technology anyway?

Congrats it’s 2026 for 3 days, ive just stopped being hungover and im already regretting logging back in.

Stop using f**king AI and use your brain, most of shitass hallucination in this is simply false.

FOR REAL, ram prices are 3x because people do this f**king bullshit?

[chagzuki]

silly me i thought it couldn't get any more terrible, here but you just had to go and prove me wrong.

It's damn good. And in six months or a year there'll be advancements, new tools, who the hell knows? Entrepreneurial people will put the technology to use in creative ways and build tools that no-one else thought of. Right now I'd rather not use something connected with Elon Musk, but the landscape will change incredibly quickly and the options will change. Maybe I'll pay for something like ChatGPT at some point... I don't feel the need right now, though I'm sure I could derive a fair amount of value from it. And of course, as the technology evolves there will be the constant discussion of the pros and cons, and concern around the ongoing problems of surveillance and data ownership.

[syntonica]

AI is the Human Centipede of information. Just sayin...

[revvy]

People using Grok due to ‘not wanting to have to pay for Chat GPT’ wasn’t on my Logic thread bingo card.

[oobesan]

silly me i thought it couldn't get any more terrible, here but you just had to go and prove me wrong.

It's damn good. And in six months or a year there'll be advancements, new tools, who the hell knows? Entrepreneurial people will put the technology to use in creative ways and build tools that no-one else thought of. Right now I'd rather not use something connected with Elon Musk, but the landscape will change incredibly quickly and the options will change. Maybe I'll pay for something like ChatGPT at some point... I don't feel the need right now, though I'm sure I could derive a fair amount of value from it. And of course, as the technology evolves there will be the constant discussion of the pros and cons, and concern around the ongoing problems of surveillance and data ownership.

This shit really makes me wish we had downvoting on KVR

[chagzuki]

People using Grok due to ‘not wanting to have to pay for Chat GPT’ wasn’t on my Logic thread bingo card.

Er, there's the question of whether these services work, and how likely it is that they get adopted, how much will they cut costs for businesses etc., and to get a sense of that you have to use them (which I've so far barely done). How much change should we expect?
From there there's all the questions about the reordering of value that follows, and the personal impacts as the job market changes (already has changed). Then there's the questions parents have to contend with in terms of where their children should be directing their energy. That's a nightmare, because how is anyone supposed to guess how advanced the tech will become/where it will be employed, and the non-linear effects that will reshape society as a result? As yet we seem to be incapable of even drawing the most basic conclusion, i.e. whether technological unemployment will be the result.

And there are also questions as to whether AI is the final nail in the coffin in terms of the melding of big tech companies and government, the new fascist regime. Should people have realised this and changed their habits ten years ago? And from there limitless questions that need to be discussed in at length, and no doubt will be. What is the counter-reaction, what can be achieved in the open source realm, can decentralised systems change ownership models etc. Are there novel ways of assigning trust to information sources? Is it time to fully un-google? Funnily enough, I don't know.
There can be a separate off-topic thread to discuss any one of these things.

It's good to see Linux gaining in popularity. Seems a bit late in the day, but things can change quickly.

In the meantime we will get to shortly find out how much demand there is for AI tools in DAWs. I don't think I have any interest in it, but I'm guessing lots of people will. I'm going the other way, back to playing instruments.

[revvy]

My only point was they’ve all got free tiers so no need to use Grok specifically, unless you really choose to.

[chagzuki]

My only point was they’ve all got free tiers so no need to use Grok specifically, unless you really choose to.

Ah yes, appreciated. I just happened to be curious to test it, it turned out to be much better than I'd anticipated. In terms of what the (rapidly changing) tech means for me going forward, I have no idea at this point.

[syntonica]

Stop getting information from AI and stop allowing it to make decisions for you. AI is pure slop. It has no concept of truth or reality and will hallucinate. It's really the biggest boondoggle of the computer world. Ever.

If you train an AI model for a specific purpose, such as grinding away on a math problem, or studying xrays, very clearcut and specific purposes, then it can be helpful. With human supervision.