UVI Falcon - v4 = 2026 released - rumors, ads, praise, kindergarden, auto-sampling and off-topic inside!

[Cinebient]

I'm afraid - my opinion of course - that the roadblock in your hardware is the 2GHz per core.
Multi threading is something quite specific. I mean: for some calculations multicore processing works fine but others rely more on the speed of a core. Compare a big truck with a Ferrari. Both have their advantages.
Cache may also play a role. And nowadays, 2GB is not much anymore (where are the days of 500MHz being esotherically fast?)

For as far as the workflow is concerned, my point of view is diametrically opposed to yours. I find Falcon extremely logical, efficient and so easy to grasp that I could concentrate on experimenting and the what much sooner than with most other synths. It allows me to do things I have never been able to do before.
Perhaps I think more in a French manner...

No offence meant, but why would you want a demo whilst you are already using Falcon?

Might be true but i can run large Omnisphere 2 multis with several B2 reverbs on top without a problem where 2 "simpler" patches with large reverbs inside Falcon is the end of the game for me when trying to play faster chords. I know i can reduce the release and reverb etc. but then i don´t need Falcon at all.
So i even don´t can think about creating complex modulations.
I compare things just about getting similar results in similar time and here Falcon loses for me.
With demo i meant i had saved a bit money if i had the chance to demo it before open my wallet. Now i know it´s not the right tool for me since i can´t use it in all it´s glory and so.
How i said, everyone has a different workflow and want to achieve other things.
The UI is also not my thing in a long term while working on a notebook. The most important thing is it just makes no fun for me to experiment with it due to much clicking force and back and scrolling etc.
It´s a fantastic tool yes, it´s just seems not the right thing for my taste
I also thought for longer time about to resell some plug-ins which don´t please me and focus on the few ones which fits my taste and finally try to master them.
And i totally agree that "sound" is a very subjective thing!

[Sampleconstruct]

I think Falcon is NFR, you can not re-sell it to anyone.

[Cinebient]

I think Falcon is NFR, you can not re-sell it to anyone.

Well, if that´s true that would be a reason to never buy an UVI product again for me. Sure i can and will use it for some things like sample manipulating and i got it for the intro price, so it´s not the world´s end.
It´s just a marketing way of a company i would never ever follow again.

[whyterabbyt]

I think Falcon is NFR, you can not re-sell it to anyone.

Why do you think that? There's been at least one sold in the marketplace, and UVI libraries get sold all the time.

[Sampleconstruct]

I think Falcon is NFR, you can not re-sell it to anyone.

Why do you think that? There's been at least one sold in the marketplace, and UVI libraries get sold all the time.

I just studied the license agreement out of interest, it can be viewed online, maybe I misread it, but I don't think so.

[Sampleconstruct]

I think Falcon is NFR, you can not re-sell it to anyone.

Why do you think that? There's been at least one sold in the marketplace, and UVI libraries get sold all the time.

I just studied the license agreement out of interest, it can be viewed online, maybe I misread it, but I don't think so.

Here is a copy+paste:

Falcon (henceforth ‘the Product’) is licensed to you as the end user. Please read this agreement carefully. You cannot transfer ownership of these sounds and software they contain. You cannot re-sell or copy the Product.
LICENSE AND PROTECTION
1. LICENSE GRANT
UVI grants to you, subject to the following terms and conditions, a non-exclusive, non-transferable right to use each authorized copy of the Product.
The product is the property of UVI and is licensed to you only for use as part of a musical performance, live or recorded. This license expressly forbids resale or other distribution of the sounds and software included in the Product or their derivatives, either as they exist on disc, reformatted for use in another digital sampler, or mixed, combined, filtered, resynthesized or otherwise edited, for use as sounds, multi-sounds, samples, multi-samples, wavetables, programs or patches in a sampler, microchip or any hardware or software sample playback device. You cannot sell the Product content or give it away for use by others in their sampling or sample playback devices. In the event UVI terminates this agreement due to your breach, you agree to return the original and all other copies of the software and documentation to UVI. UVI reserves all rights not expressly granted to herein.
2. PROTECTION OF SOFTWARE
You agree to take all reasonable steps to protect the product and any accompanying documentation from unauthorized copying or use. You agree not to modify the product to circumvent any method or means adopted or implemented by UVI to protect against or discourage the unlicensed use of copying of the Product.
3. OWNERSHIP
As between you and UVI, ownership of, and title to, the enclosed digitally recorded sounds (including any copies) are held by UVI. Copies are provided to you only to enable you to exercise your rights under the license.
4. TERM
This agreement is effective from the date you open this package, and will remain in full force until termination. This agreement will terminate if you break any of the terms or conditions of this agreement. Upon termination you agree to destroy and return to UVI all copies of this product and accompanying documentation.
5. RESTRICTIONS
Except as expressly authorized in this agreement, you may not rent, sell, lease, sub-license, distribute, transfer, copy, reproduce, display, modify or time share the enclosed product or documentation.
6. HARDWARE
Accompanying USB flash media is only guaranteed
in it’s original state, as an installation medium for the Product. Any variance from this use including but not limited to deleting, altering or adding data, reformatting the media or any physical alteration of the device will void its warranty. If the media is found to have a physical or manufacturing defect please contact our support department (http://www.uvi.net/contact-support).
©2015 UVI. All rights reserved. All trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

[Sampleconstruct]

And i totally agree that "sound" is a very subjective thing!

The less you want to know, the more subjective it all becomes.

[Cinebient]

And i totally agree that "sound" is a very subjective thing!

The less you want to know, the more subjective it all becomes.

Might be true. I´m very interested in all science things and tech and new innovative ways of achieve sound etc. but at the end it just matter what comes trough my ears and what my limited brain says me then. If there is a kind of biochemical reaction it is a good start
I often saw tuturials where people messing around for hours to get an "interesting" sound and sometimes it is the right way. But then i often think sometimes things are overcomplicated to achieve nuances of sounds which just seems to exist in the mind of the creator itself and i could get similar sounding results in a minute which would be good enough for my personal taste.
But it´s again subjective. For some it´s just "noise" for others it´s a symphony of sinewaves, partials, whatever...and bla bla.
There is a reason why we have so many different genres of music in the world!

[jdoo]

I'm afraid - my opinion of course - that the roadblock in your hardware is the 2GHz per core.
Multi threading is something quite specific. I mean: for some calculations multicore processing works fine but others rely more on the speed of a core. Compare a big truck with a Ferrari. Both have their advantages.
Cache may also play a role. And nowadays, 2GB is not much anymore (where are the days of 500MHz being esotherically fast?)
...

Not to belabor a discussion that has less to do with Falcon, and more to do with the platform it's being run on (too much).. But I feel compelled to comment. The 2GB (I think you meant 2 GHz?) in the i7 processor for his Late 2013 i7 Haswell/Crystalwell system.. is not the full story. The four independent processor cores on that chip, support and use "Turboboost 2.0" which automatically increase the speed of the active cores from 2.0 GHz to 3.2 GHz. So - I dont understand what you were driving at, with the 2GB reference. What I didnt see mentioned, is the RAM on his system. That plays a significant role in Falcon's perceived performance. On the late 2013 MacBook Pro systems -- the SDRAM is soldered in, and cannot be upgraded later. If he purchased with 16GB of RAM, there are other areas to be looking for improved performance. If he only has an 8GB system - I'm afraid, it is what it is - and may limit the ability to stack multiple oscillators in Falcon (talking > 4). IMO - any modern (2013 or later) processor, with plenty of RAM, and fast drives (SSD), are more than adequate for a workstation like Falcon. Note: Workstation - not simple Audio Instrument. Falcon is far more than just a plug-in.

To the discussion at hand.. Falcon imo, is the most capable synth I have ever played. It's not just a Sound designers dream? There are sonic capabilities that I haven't seen in any other synth. What Falcon lacks, is a good demo showing a musician quickly constructing a layered, stacked, split patch - for playing live. It's one of the secret sauce ingredients of Falcon, and not often enough showcased. It takes seconds, to pull in existing patches, tweek them to fill the spectrum of your keyboard and controller capabilities - then save off that 'multi' for later recall. Too much emphasis in the handful of videos I have seen posted, are on creating individual patches from scratch. Ramble, ramble. Sorry. What was the question? Is Falcon worth it? YES! You don't have to be someone trying to record and edit wavetables, nor build up sounds from scratch with the underlying synth engine. You just have to be a regular schmo, who has spent a few hours or couple of days getting familiar with how to stack, split, tweek combos in Falcon to see the real power.

Quick note about expanding what you have.. I have Simon's Resurrection for Alchemy. A great soundset, with lots of wonderful waveforms. I pulled those into Falcon.. Holy crap! I spent hours, tweaking multis, building up Falcon patches (not from scratch -- but using Simon's Alchemy-borne waveforms as starter yeast). Yeah - I added other patches to them, and tweaked them in Falcon's GUI, but I am no sound designer. What I ended up with are dozens of patches that are hugely usable. I also ended up losing a day, getting lost in playing with the Resurrection waveforms in Falcon. I stacked these waveforms in with other patches, some built from the FM oscillator, some from the Pluck engine, and/or the Organ oscillator, etc. This was my point earlier - there needs to be a good video, showing how easy it is to construct a Falcon Multi, using existing patches. Maybe there is, and I haven't stumbled on it. Although there are probably other synth workstations that allow this type of mix and match simplicity - I don't know what they are. Falcon, make it possible and easy. Sorry to sound like an ad for UVI. Just a happy user.

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[TwoToneshuzz]

I'm on board with the Falcon, I really think it is a great improvement over Mach V 3.2.

I have so many tools to choose from now, but 'Falcon I think will stand the test of time..I could likely settle on this and a few high end effects, then Iris, Kaleidoscope, Reaktor, Padshop Pro..

I keep the whole boatload of sound engines I have though. Some of the difficulty I have had with some of them is the CPU load, but I'm getting more knowledge as to how to handle that problem, and my next computer in 2017 should help matters even more.

Hov I see version 1.06 is available. They are keeping up the pace on development i see.

[topaz]

Falcon is not NFR, no UVI are.

Purchased both falcon and plug sound pro for kvr MP.

[Sampleconstruct]

Falcon is not NFR, no UVI are.

Purchased both falcon and plug sound pro for kvr MP.

Then the document I posted above is either outdated or license transfers are only granted under specific circumstances ( maybe you have to be French) or my reading capabilities are unprofessional.

[Sampleconstruct]

Quick note about expanding what you have.. I have Simon's Resurrection for Alchemy. A great soundset, with lots of wonderful waveforms. I pulled those into Falcon.. Holy crap! I spent hours, tweaking multis, building up Falcon patches (not from scratch -- but using Simon's Alchemy-borne waveforms as starter yeast). Yeah - I added other patches to them, and tweaked them in Falcon's GUI, but I am no sound designer. What I ended up with are dozens of patches that are hugely usable. I also ended up losing a day, getting lost in playing with the Resurrection waveforms in Falcon. I stacked these waveforms in with other patches, some built from the FM oscillator, some from the Pluck engine, and/or the Organ oscillator, etc.

Thank's for that post, that's exactly the spirit in which I refuse to encrypt and copy-protect any of my libraries, so that you can just use all these samples and wavetables cross platform and roll your own.

[TwoToneshuzz]

Falcon is not NFR, no UVI are.

Purchased both falcon and plug sound pro for kvr MP.

Then the document I posted above is either outdated or license transfers are only granted under specific circumstances ( maybe you have to be French) or my reading capabilities are unprofessional.

Interesting I read also that it was not re-sellable. But I don't care that much either way I'm a buyer exclusively since 2010 at KVR

[c_voltage]

I see often mentions about CPU hug in Falcon, and i start to worry. Tell please if anyone test it via compare with MF3, on the same standart oscillators - analog\fm\wavetable (let no consider ircam samplers), and with increased unisson values in osc - then Falcon will be much cpu consume than MF3 or will the same % result?
Just i ask because planned too to catch upgrade from MF3, so, upgrade discount ending soon, i am going to do it in next week. MF3 i found quite usable in CPU usage sense, i.e. he satisfies me in this.

(BTW still not available Falcon demo version ? although i not planned testing before upgrade because I was convinced that it is the same as MF3, but as already said, reports about cpu are forced to take into account)