Reverberate - Convolution reverb with modulation for Mac and PC (AU, AAX, VST)

[Tapehead]

I'd prefer tempo delays with a mono option, LFO modulation and a rhythm grid with possibilities of designing groove patterns and assigning different volume/velocities to each tap.

Also, progressive, stereo harmonizer (meaning where detuning happens over time) as an alternative to a static type chorus would be also a very powerful feature. The other thing, is to consider adding a very simple, threshold independent compressor that can be placed between delay and IR.

I have many other ideas that can take this plug-in into a realm of science-fiction but I'm well aware that it might take years to develop those features.

Thank you for listening!

[liquidsonics]

I'd prefer tempo delays with a mono option, LFO modulation and a rhythm grid with possibilities of designing groove patterns and assigning different volume/velocities to each tap.

I'm currently playing around with a stereo delay with modulation based on some of these suggestions, so thanks Tapehead. It doesn't have the groove grid, but I have implemented dual delays with feedback, cross-feed and delay modulation for a stereo tape delay like effect. This will probably be part of v1.5. I am very pleased with how it's livening up the sounds.

Also, progressive, stereo harmonizer (meaning where detuning happens over time) as an alternative to a static type chorus would be also a very powerful feature.

If you set a very low modulation rate on the chorus, isn't this slow detuning over time? Or am I missing something?

The other thing, is to consider adding a very simple, threshold independent compressor that can be placed between delay and IR.

I added one of these a while ago, but didn't like the results, so it never made the final cut. I may revisit it one day.

[Tapehead]

Hi Matt,

This is phenomenal! Please, don't forget to implement bpm based pre-delays for the IR section.

In regards to "progressive harmonizer"; this is something that doesn't really exist. What I meant is a harmonizer with "in" and "out" points in which I can type for the "in" points let's say -0.6 for the left channel and +0.4 for the right channel (with optional panning) and "out" points -0.12 for the left channel and +0.8 for the right channel and allow this harmonizer to rump up from the "in" points to the "out " points in a space of one or two bars. I hope it doesn't sound too convoluted but it is the best explanation I can give at this time.

Thanks again for listening!

P.S If you need any testing then count me in

[liquidsonics]

Hi Matt,

This is phenomenal! Please, don't forget to implement bpm based pre-delays for the IR section.

Well actually this is a little harder, in order to make the delay practical in terms of tempo you'd really want more than the max 500ms of delay currently available there as at 120bpm that is only a crotchet (1/4 note) in length. That means in order to maintain backwards compatibility internally I need to do a few tweaks and awkward things so it'll be a little later coming along I expect, but is still possible. What is the max length of delay you'd expect to find in the pre-delay, or are we talking in terms that 1/16 note etc would actually be useful?

In regards to "progressive harmonizer"; this is something that doesn't really exist. What I meant is a harmonizer with "in" and "out" points in which I can type for the "in" points let's say -0.6 for the left channel and +0.4 for the right channel (with optional panning) and "out" points -0.12 for the left channel and +0.8 for the right channel and allow this harmonizer to rump up from the "in" points to the "out " points in a space of one or two bars. I hope it doesn't sound too convoluted but it is the best explanation I can give at this time.

Actually, no, I really don't get what you mean... a little more explanation in terms of how the effect is achieved would be helpful. What is ramping up/down, are you talking about a detuning? Does it oscillate? How is this really any different to the chorus that is already available?

[lagavulin16]

Matt, if you could somehow make the timing and delay for the BPM settings similar to Reason's RV7000 I would be really grateful.

I simply cannot find a plugin that can do what that does as easily as it does it while sounding that good. But I think your plugin will get there, either as I get to know it better or over the course of development.

[Tapehead]

Actually, no, I really don't get what you mean... a little more explanation in terms of how the effect is achieved would be helpful. What is ramping up/down, are you talking about a detuning? Does it oscillate? How is this really any different to the chorus that is already available?

I borrowed the term "Ramping up/down" from a cinematic type terminology. In the late 90s there was this speed-ramp effect that was severely overused in so many movies and music videos in which you can see how, let's say in a fight scene, one of the fighter's fists would slow down just before hitting someone's jaw and then speed up beyond normal/real time speed (24fps). Basically, I wanted to have this type of control over detuning process in which I could program the speed, duration and the amount of detuning. In standard choruses this amount of control is impossible or at least I never seen it.

Well actually this is a little harder, in order to make the delay practical in terms of tempo you'd really want more than the max 500ms of delay currently available there as at 120bpm that is only a crotchet (1/4 note) in length. That means in order to maintain backwards compatibility internally I need to do a few tweaks and awkward things so it'll be a little later coming along I expect, but is still possible. What is the max length of delay you'd expect to find in the pre-delay, or are we talking in terms that 1/16 note etc would actually be useful?

I haven't thought about the problem that you mentioned about pre-delay; normally, I use delay calculator and when I enter my BPM in there it simply gives me values in "ms" with options for different note timings.

Sorry, I'm falling asleep here I'll try to re-visit this thread sometime tomorrow afternoon...
Thank you

[lagavulin16]

Tapehead, check out the Reason Reverb when you get a chance. They delay is basically specified by the note, so when I do a reverse reverb I can specify if it starts the slap back on the 2nd, 4th, 7th, whatever out of 16 notes.

I'd really like the BPM/tempo based settings to be free of millisecond nomenclature.

[zervosp]

nice!!

[Tapehead]

For years I felt that convolution reverbs lacked certain imagination and Matt is definitely moving in the right direction with the concept of Reverberate. I also like the simplicity of UI with different tabs for each section, instead of piling it all up on a single page. I hope there would be a lot more tabs in the not so distant future . Ideally all sections should be designed as independent modules so that we can arrange them in any order (perhaps version2?). In addition to the previously discussed ideas I'd add harmonic EQ (ala Voxengo's harmonieq, gates, stereo expander, valve/tape/transistor saturator etc, etc...

Tapehead, check out the Reason Reverb when you get a chance. They delay is basically specified by the note, so when I do a reverse reverb I can specify if it starts the slap back on the 2nd, 4th, 7th, whatever out of 16 notes.

I'd love to check out Reason's reverb but I don't own Reason...is it available as a separate VST plugin?

Thanks

[lagavulin16]

For years I felt that convolution reverbs lacked certain imagination and Matt is definitely moving in the right direction with the concept of Reverberate. I also like the simplicity of UI with different tabs for each section, instead of piling it all up on a single page. I hope there would be a lot more tabs in the not so distant future . Ideally all sections should be designed as independent modules so that we can arrange them in any order (perhaps version2?). In addition to the previously discussed ideas I'd add harmonic EQ (ala Voxengo's harmonieq, gates, stereo expander, valve/tape/transistor saturator etc, etc...

Tapehead, check out the Reason Reverb when you get a chance. They delay is basically specified by the note, so when I do a reverse reverb I can specify if it starts the slap back on the 2nd, 4th, 7th, whatever out of 16 notes.

I'd love to check out Reason's reverb but I don't own Reason...is it available as a separate VST plugin?

Thanks

I really, really, wish it was.

Not sure it will ever happen though.

[liquidsonics]

Ideally all sections should be designed as independent modules so that we can arrange them in any order (perhaps version2?).

I think it's still sitting together well with the current hard-wired approach, I feel like the flexibility / simplicity / typical use-cases balance is about right for the present features. Too much modularity and flexibility can slow down workflow. That said I agree a future direction for a new product could be a fully modular reverb; that would really take some time to develop properly as it would virtually be a ground-up rewrite so yes, this kind of thing will not appear in a v1.x release of Reverberate but I like the concept

[liquidsonics]

I've released version 1.5 of Reverberate to provide three stereo modulated delay units (IR1, IR2, post). These can be used to add rhythmic delays with an analogue like feel where delay modulation is used. There's feedback too, so ping-pong like effects can be added.

Using 1/4 or 1/8 delays is fairly traditional, but using very short delays on the left and right channels like 1/64 or 1/32 can be a great way to add a little extra width, they're basically like additional early reflections at such short lengths (though do be careful with feedback on these kind of rates as ringing is pretty pronounced).

The modulation of the delay taps is on by default and has been included to give a warm analogue feel to proceedings. At extreme rates though tremolo effects can be added to go a little more experimental.

There is now a Facebook page for LiquidSonics. I decided this was a good place to add little tips and tricks as I think of them, IR links and so on so I'd encourage people with an interest in Reverberate to click 'like' and to chime in with their ideas and IR links too.

[lagavulin16]

Works fine in S1 on OSX but Logic (64 bit) didn't find it. Is the mac version 32 bit at this time? I might need to go with 32 bit logic for it to get validated.

Also, where can I change to tempo based sync, or is that not implemented yet?

Thanks again for all the work on such a great plugin.

[liquidsonics]

Works fine in S1 on OSX but Logic (64 bit) didn't find it. Is the mac version 32 bit at this time? I might need to go with 32 bit logic for it to get validated.

The Mac build is 32-bit at present, so yes that is probably the solution here. On my system in 64-bit mode Logic 64 doesn't scan it from fresh (or any other 32-bit AUs), so Logic needs to be in 32-bit mode to set up the bridged plugins which then show up OK the next time a 64-bit load happens. I'll look into the details of doing a 64-bit build for Mac, due to Carbon being deprecated it's less simple than in Windows which was about 2 hours work!

The 32-bit bridge in Logic 64-bit doesn't seem to add any latency so should be good enough for the time being...

Also, where can I change to tempo based sync, or is that not implemented yet?

The tempo sync is automatically kept at the song rate, and it's displayed as 'BPM', and the Delay control sets the rate in terms of x/16, x/8 notes etc. To unsync to tempo click the green lock icon and type a new tempo in.

[jbraner]

Hi,

I've just picked up this plugin - it is awesome for £30! I've been playing with aether (which I love) but it's a little CPU heavy on my PC. I was using my convolution reverb for some less CPU demanding tasks and decided to give reverbrate a try - Boy I'm glad I did

Even with just one IR (and I love how it automatically pairs mono L & R IRs) this is great as there is a lot to tweak.

Does anyone have any hints as to how to set up modulation and chorus to maintain "real" sounding spaces? I've looked at the Facebook page and the documentation - and I know that one of aether's "secrets" is applying a little modulation (chorus) to it's reverb.

- are the default chorus settings good to start with? (they sound OK to me)

- what about modulation? Am I correct that the manual suggests setting a HPF where the frequency modulates a little over time - going down? Am I right in thinking a hall IR might have a HPF going from say, -3db @ 400Hz down to -3db @ 300 Hz over the course of the tail?

- I do trust my ears - but I was wondering if anyone has any "starting points" for nice dynamic "real" spaces?


- Also what about ways to use the second IR? I've been plaing with some of the noisevault impulses, using 2 slightly different impulses from the same room, and modulating the mixture of them.


I guess my point is there are *so many* possibilities here, I'm wondering where to start. And they *all* sound good to me