What is the difference between music and noise? [years-dead slappyfight revived]

[dblock]

The person listening to it.

[Jazzyspoon]

To a dog (or any other animal), there is no difference between noise and (human) music.

[eduardo_b]

To a dog (or any other animal), there is no difference between noise and (human) music.

I'm thinking there's a wee difference between hearing and having the capacity for abstraction -- an important aspect in hearing sound...be it music or otherwise.

[Jazzyspoon]

To a dog (or any other animal), there is no difference between noise and (human) music.

I'm thinking there's a wee difference between hearing and having the capacity for abstraction -- an important aspect in hearing sound...be it music or otherwise.

Tell that to a bird or a whale. Animals have the ability to read into their own languages/sounds (on a simpler level though, so your point is valid).

[justin3am]

(so your point is valid)

No it's not. Don't listen to him. He's just a hater, tryin'a marginalize dogs enjoyment of noize.

[whyterabbyt]

To a dog (or any other animal), there is no difference between noise and (human) music.

I'm thinking there's a wee difference between hearing and having the capacity for abstraction -- an important aspect in hearing sound

so you're saying animals can hear, but they dont have the capacity for abstraction, which is important to hearing.

m'kay... carry on.

[arcades]

music and noise are the same thing. there is no difference.

[monsterbeetle]

No difference if you consider The Dillinger Escape Plan, grindcore, deathcore...
other styles of music just being controlled noise, with different frequencies occurring at different moments in time instead of all at once, all the time

[arcades]

No difference if you consider The Dillinger Escape Plan, grindcore, deathcore...

wut?

[Meffy]

[shallow]
The difference is that nobody talks about the signal-to-music ratio.
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[monsterbeetle]

@arcades : no offense to the band, just joking. I'm thinking of them because I saw them play live last week at Hellfest and was blown away. As I like the band I was able to identify some bits and pieces of tunes I knew in the massive flow of sound, but I saw other people there who did not know the band and just walked away with a strange look in their eyes
I listened to conversations afterwards and heard people say "I like extreme music but this ... I mean ... well ... I just can't figure it out" [/url]

[eduardo_b]

To a dog (or any other animal), there is no difference between noise and (human) music.

I'm thinking there's a wee difference between hearing and having the capacity for abstraction -- an important aspect in hearing sound...be it music or otherwise.

Tell that to a bird or a whale. Animals have the ability to read into their own languages/sounds (on a simpler level though, so your point is valid).

True abstraction, as a thought process, requires brain development that is currently limited to humans. At least that's my take-=away from reading on the topic over the years. As for animals reading into their own sounds (and others), it's largely instinctual. Complex in its own way, to be sure, but not -- I think -- actual abstraction. These posts, OTH, would definitely be abstract.

[hibidy]

I love beautiful noise

[eduardo_b]

I love beautiful noise

You animal.

[hibidy]

har har (and the trumpet wha wha wha whaaaaaaa)