All "pros" moving over to Logic, why?

[LawrenceF]

I took "pro" to be like my quotation marks

Yeah, it's true. For all the b...ing people do about protools, it's still the industry standard and it's not going to change. Too much file sharing done these days and though some hosts (I think logic has this to some degree) can import/export some of that nothing is like being able to go from PT to PT

PT has it's flaws, but it's still teh king.

Yep. This happens (repeatedly) because too many of us home recording guys think "we" are the industry, when we're mostly not. It's an illusuon brought on by the way these products are being marketed to us... leading us to think the studio in the box is all you need to be equal with the pros. It's not.

Like me buying Sony Vegas and making YouTube movies makes me a pro video editor.... not really.

P.S. Can't blame Avid for cashing in on their strong branding though, with PT Toddler Edition on up. Everyone wants to use what "the pros" use, right?

[jancivil]

The Industry today seems to put out largely utter garbage, and nowadays horrible production values are the trend, so who gives a shit about its standards?

aspiring professional recording engineers I reckon.

'Pro' just means 'gets paid' though. It's the first syllable of 'prostitute' which is synomynous with 'professional'. I know a way to be equal to that which costs nothing at all.

[LawrenceF]

. Well... "industry" is not indicative of a single thing, but many disconnected things. There is of course great music and sucky music, always has been, and some can be both depending on whom you're asking,

I think you're confusing the recording industry with the entertainment industry. The recording industry records fantastic talent (along with crap) and the entertainment industry often has no real interst in the former because 13 year girls don't like it .

It's just more Internet "rage against the machine". I've heard crap music all my life. See Tiny Tim, Villie Manilli & Vanilla Ice as a few examples of the Britney Spears of their time. And T&A always sells. See Marilyn Monroe. One of the worst actressses I've ever seen.

Anyway, off topic. Logic rocks.

[michat]

No matter what you use for your DAW.
Export some stems and import them in whatever DAW the "pro" studio uses

[Arglebargle]

No matter what you use for your DAW.
Export some stems and import them in whatever DAW the "pro" studio uses

Amateur DAW stems don't sound as good as pro DAWs like Pro Tools.

[Jace-BeOS]

I rather liked Traktion's ui.

As do I. Especially the use of drag & drop & the racks (which few other DAWs have equivalent function). My only gripe was getting used to the routing of inputs

[hibidy]

I just don't understand though, how can you make teh mad beatz on 32 bit systems???????/qa//a/a/////!!!!!!!11!!1

[Jace-BeOS]

I'm a Cubase 6.5 user, and would not bother with Logic Pro 9, it is one of the most un-logical DAWs I have used.

I find some of the GUI to be foolish myself. For example: the second layer of menus that operate like buttons and the similarly identity-confused plugin button-menu thingies. These ought be completely reengineered. Go like Sonar's bins or GarageBand's slots (which takes up much more screen space but operate intuitively and consistently).

[trimph1]

How did they do it on those old 8bit systems?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[highkoo]

a bit for you; a bit for me. a bit for you; a bit for me.....

[jancivil]

. Well... "industry" is not indicative of a single thing, but many disconnected things. There is of course great music and sucky music, always has been, and some can be both depending on whom you're asking,

I think you're confusing the recording industry with the entertainment industry. The recording industry records fantastic talent (along with crap) and the entertainment industry often has no real interst in the former because 13 year girls don't like it .

It's just more Internet "rage against the machine". I've heard crap music all my life. See Tiny Tim, Villie Manilli & Vanilla Ice as a few examples of the Britney Spears of their time. And T&A always sells. See Marilyn Monroe. One of the worst actressses I've ever seen.

Anyway, off topic. Logic rocks.

no dude I am in no ways confused. The recording industry is part of the entertainment industry. It supports it and the fact that insanely expensive studios exists owes to that. I would however not say that the craftspeople are in any ways to blame for the state of the music that gains the utmost popularity. In film or music.

nor am I 'raging'. The aformentioned production values I encounter, albeit rarely, are novel to me, 57 years on a planet as of yesterday. The file compression ruination of audio has led to a desire for that particular quality of distortion which was never de rigeur and never existed previous to, actually. That is an objective assessment. Also I'm sorry your straw man had to say there never was crap. Give him a good thrashing for me will you.

And dissing Norma Jean like that is anathema to me. She did good work when she was allowed to. She was made to be the sex goddess by the industry and the industry would rather limit a person to what sells the best. In this case to middle aged bored men. She was a brilliant person that you fail to manage to propel yourself any higher than you are by disrespecting. If anyone is being internet rager (and armchair self-appointed critic) it's you doing that rather puerile move for no good reason.

I daresay the percentages of great singers making pop records that were recorded beautifully vs crap then to today has diminished over that time.

[Jace-BeOS]

How did they do it on those old 8bit systems?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I've a Tandy 1000 TL/2 (as interesting as IBM clones got), Apple IIgs (x2), Commodore 64 (x12??), Atari Mega ST & Amiga 1200 (x2). All because I thought it might be "fun" to create a "retro" studio setup. End result: I'm amazed people got so much done with this stuff, musically. Each has it's own unique character, hardware & software, but there's nothing in my pile of retro that can't be simulated on modern equipment in a much more comfortable GUI & with ease of data exchange (& faster!). So, lesson learned about retro cool. It's retro for a reason and cool only in as much as it was unique & an eventual underdog lost against doing everything on one cpu, monolithic style.

And, goodness, the size of them pixels!!!

[LawrenceF]

Well I guess you told me off huh?

So... you're a few years older than me (not very many). What is your role in the industry if I may ask? Artist? Singer? Engineer? Just curious.

Anyway, I agree with your impression of over compression but I also feel it's centered around a few genres, it's not universal by any means. I have lots of good music in my music library that will attest to that.

Anyway... thanks Jan.

P.S. The "rage against the machine" wasn't actually meant for you, just in general. People on the net are always bashing the record industry, record lables, big companies, Apple, Google, whatever. I tend to think it's mostly because those record companies aren't paying any attention to them. If Sony Recordds actually came 'a knocking with potential fame and fortune I suspect many would be off ... like my friend and ex client Mike Posner.

And (not you) making the same kind of music they rail against... because they suddenly can.

But that comment wasn't meant for you. I actually meant to put a "(not you)" qualifier after it.

[hibidy]

Well I guess you told me off huh?

[CTStump]

And dissing Norma Jean like that is anathema to me. She did good work when she was allowed to. She was made to be the sex goddess by the industry and the industry would rather limit a person to what sells the best.

Might I add Charo to that category, she is a skilled guitar master taught by a world virtuoso (Adres Sergovia) and is limited to schtick.

"Pro" is so subjective these days.