KVR Audio

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:29 pm

I don't know how good this is gonna be:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/pitch-2-midi-by-sonivox

Jam Origin Midi Guitar 2 and Midi Bass 2 also had their betas updated.

Cheers,

Tom

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:51 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:I don't know how good this is gonna be:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/pitch-2-midi-by-sonivox

Jam Origin Midi Guitar 2 and Midi Bass 2 also had their betas updated.

Cheers,

Tom

Is there a demo video or audio for the pitch-2-midi?

I am still anxiously waiting for the Imitone but no longer
am I holding my breath.

pottering · Post by **pottering** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:04 pm

I bought Imitone months ago exactly as an cheap alternative to $150+ products like this pitch-2-midi thing.

People who are willing to pay that much, and all they wanted was a audio2midi VST, could have gotten Melodyne or other options in the 1st place (Midi Guitar is pretty good from my tests).

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:33 pm

pottering wrote:I bought Imitone months ago exactly as an cheap alternative to $150+ products like this pitch-2-midi thing.

People who are willing to pay that much, and all they wanted was a audio2midi VST, could have gotten Melodyne or other options in the 1st place (Midi Guitar is pretty good from my tests).

right, but melodyne isn't conceived as a real-time processor, don't forget...

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:51 am

Kalamata Kid wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:I don't know how good this is gonna be:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/pitch-2-midi-by-sonivox

Jam Origin Midi Guitar 2 and Midi Bass 2 also had their betas updated.

Cheers,

Tom
Is there a demo video or audio for the pitch-2-midi?

There is not even any bit of info on their official page (which is even more sad).
I've read a couple of things on Rekkerd, but I'd also take a closer look first to understand why it's 150bucks. Sure isn't because of the built in Synth and the more fancy GUI.

Kalamata Kid wrote:I am still anxiously waiting for the Imitone but no longer
am I holding my breath.

Well - the VSTi version could finally hit indeed.
But according to the average commentary, it otherwise seems to work like it should, no?

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:33 am

Compyfox wrote:
Kalamata Kid wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:I don't know how good this is gonna be:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/pitch-2-midi-by-sonivox

Jam Origin Midi Guitar 2 and Midi Bass 2 also had their betas updated.

Cheers,

Tom
Is there a demo video or audio for the pitch-2-midi?
There is not even any bit of info on their official page (which is even more sad).
I've read a couple of things on Rekkerd, but I'd also take a closer look first to understand why it's 150bucks. Sure isn't because of the built in Synth and the more fancy GUI.

Kalamata Kid wrote:I am still anxiously waiting for the Imitone but no longer
am I holding my breath.
Well - the VSTi version could finally hit indeed.
But according to the average commentary, it otherwise seems to work like it should, no?

I prefer for developers to announce the release of a products even when not ready for release. Yea I still though will complain this or that. And the $149 yes I also thought it to be pricey.

Let's hope that the Imitone VSTi is as good as the demo videos show it to be. An the pricing here is reasonable if it is that good!

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:39 am

At this stage, I think the VSTi is just an "add-on" bundled (read Evan Balster's recent comments). Not a separate product. Why? Better host integration rather than using a standalone device and MIDI loopback cables.

An update on this would be nice however.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:05 am

Sonivox? Can't believe they are able to release a pro plugin in this field but maybe the guys from AIR helped out. We'll see if it's worth the price.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:37 am

I posted this here mainly since I thought it could be interesting for the same people who are into imitone.
And maybe for Evan to see how others approach it.
Hopefully more info will be available soon.

As for price: Sonivox is known to have sales or bundles, so it may become more affordable at one point.

I look forward to demo it to see how good it actually is and how precise the control of modulation is working (especially volume).
My last tests with imitone were not exactly overwhelmingly good in that department and it's the thing I personally find as important as the pitch detection itself.

Cheers,

Tom

mcnelson · Post by **mcnelson** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:58 pm

0.8.1 update just landed, check your inboxes for notification. New features and improvements include:

• Hard triggering mode.
• The vibrato stabilizer is greatly improved.
• There is a new note mode called "Lock", which prevents all sliding.
• Pitch tracking has been further improved.
• CPU usage is reduced by about 33%.

http://imitone.com/beta/

interactopia · Post by **interactopia** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:17 pm

I'm starting on the VST port this week. I realized something pleasant: the VST could optionally spawn a Virtual MIDI port. This would allow imitone to sit inside the host while still functioning as the primary MIDI controller. This will work so long as the imitone track is left in "receiving" mode and the host supports MIDI device rescan.

In my mind, this is a good way to avoid both the standalone's device headache and the VST's routing headache. It's also possibly the only way to make a working AU. I'd like to see if anybody here thinks the scheme is bonkers -- so let the opinions fly. Feedback on 0.8.1 is also invited.

...

I heard about pitch2midi at NAMM and was interested to try it -- even a bit nervous, I must confess -- but they abruptly pulled it from their store and the NAMM showfloor the day after releasing. If you take a closer look at the screenshot in their press release, you might start to understand why.

People are blunt at KVR, so I'll speak my mind: The whole field of real-time pitch tracking feels like a graveyard to me, full of aborted attempts at making a useful technology. Every company and engineer who has thrown a hat into the ring has stopped at the "cutting edge", all too eager to ship its superior-but-still-broken tool. I've caught some flack for taking my sweet time with imitone, but I don't want to continue that trend -- otherwise I would have halted R&D a year ago.

(To be sure, I don't mean to imply disrespect for the engineers who've come before me -- I met a guy who did some great work in pitch tracking in the early 90s and he's brilliant -- but he didn't finish. If anything I think the "eagerness" comes from business folks worried over being beaten to market.)

Anyway, pardon the tangent -- let me know your thoughts on the MIDI port scheme.

TabSel · Post by **TabSel** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:34 pm

The VST specs allow for VST midi out to the VST host. THIS has to be the way to go.

creating/opening a virtual Midi Port (using Tobias Erichsens SDK, I assume) on instantiation of imitone VST results in midi ports that will never be available to the DAW, as long as they don't rescan ports, as some daws do, like Cubase.

Implement a imitone VSTfx. Audio In - Imitone VST - VST Midi Out (no Virtual Midi Port)

Stay in the DAW, Audio and Midi wise, for routing simplicitys sake.

Only optionally spawn a new midi port. IMHO not necessary.

Doug1978 · Post by **Doug1978** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:35 pm

Congrats on the update Evan.

Thanks for the news about the VST port.
Sounds like a good idea about the midi port too.

Yep, some of us (including me) can be blunt on KVR.
Conversely, developers also get a load of praise here if they deliver a novel product which excites people - as I'm sure your VST port of imitone will.

interactopia · Post by **interactopia** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:44 pm

Just to avoid any confusion -- the imitone VST will output MIDI conventionally, like any other pitch-to-MIDI plugin. I have at least that much good judgment.

It could come down to personal preference, but the Virtual MIDI workflow seems a lot friendlier to me for people who are actually using imitone as a keyboard replacement. I might need to consider ways to make that work in DAWs without rescan. I abhor background/tray apps, but one could be warranted in this case to have the port open before the DAW boots up. Other MIDI loopbacks could do that job, too -- but I've run into latency problems with those in the past. Hmm...

TabSel · Post by **TabSel** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:14 pm

Imho you think too complicated about the Midi side:

If instantiated in the daw, anybody using the daw would easily be able to route imitones midi out of any midi port, physical or virtual loop back and use this port as conventional midi in port in the DAW if, for whatever reason, one prefers this way instead of using imitones midi out directly...

Things to consider: imitone might get instantiated multiple times in a daw: would you like to merge their midi out to a channel of one virtual port, limit instance number to 16, or create a new virtual port per imitone instance, Should these ports be custom nameable, in order to distinguish instances etc...

All these considerations aren't necessary imho

Imitone -- wow! Most embarassing post I ever started