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dumbledog · Post by **dumbledog** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:37 pm

To be fair that's exactly the sound I'm looking for, heh.

OutCider · Post by **OutCider** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:40 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:I thought you said the Matrix sucked ?!?!

Was that was before the sound banks for sale announcement?

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:56 pm

dumbledog wrote:To be fair that's exactly the sound I'm looking for, heh.

Yeah, but I get the same feeling from a lot of plugins. Just like the Solina is, in essence, a compromised synthesizer, so are many plugins.

YMMV I suppose.

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:14 pm

I will say that this is one of the most painful, hasslesome installs I've done in a while. You have to do the custom install (one by one by one) if you don't want to install all formats and put them in the default location(s). Then there's the server timeouts on the downloads, and the server speeds of a be Kb/s.
I'm currently correcting the corrupted downloads and removing the stuff that got put all over back when I installed V3. Once that is done, I suppose that I will once again be happy. BTW, none of their standalones will recognize my 61SL. That may be related to automap stopping function a few months ago and my giving up and removing it altogether...but I digress..

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:24 pm

rustman wrote:I will say that this is one of the most painful, hasslesome installs I've done in a while. You have to do the custom install (one by one by one) if you don't want to install all formats and put them in the default location(s). Then there's the server timeouts on the downloads, and the server speeds of a be Kb/s.
I'm currently correcting the corrupted downloads and removing the stuff that got put all over back when I installed V3. Once that is done, I suppose that I will once again be happy. BTW, none of their standalones will recognize my 61SL. That may be related to automap stopping function a few months ago and my giving up and removing it altogether...but I digress..

Yaeh, I thought asking me for my VST paths for each plugin was over the top. I didn't have it overwrite my V3 versions though, I just installed the new ones to demo.

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:51 pm

On a positive note- all VSTi versions appear to be working flawlessly in Cubase 8. I need a nap, and then I'll explore the sounds. I know I'll be happy in that respect, or I'd never have upgraded. All in all, I really like all of the Arturia synths, and may very well learn to really like Spark2 as well.
One disclaimer- with the exception of an Ensoniq EPS 16 and an ARP Solus, I've never owned any vintage synths (and those two aren't exactly coveted). The point being that whether these emulations nail the original sound is lost on me. Makes it easier to just like them for what they are. Ignorance is sometimes actually bliss.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:07 am

OutCider wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:I thought you said the Matrix sucked ?!?!
Was that was before the sound banks for sale announcement?

I have no clue what you talk about.

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:48 am

I have a question for the Matrix folks-
When I open the voices page and repeatedly hit a note, it increments down the voices with each successive key press. When it gets to voices 9 and 10, they are silent although their settings are identical to all of the other voices. If I disable those two, then I can play successive notes without two presses being silent. Bug or ignorance on my part?
All input appreciated.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:21 am

rustman wrote:I have a question for the Matrix folks-
When I open the voices page and repeatedly hit a note, it increments down the voices with each successive key press. When it gets to voices 9 and 10, they are silent although their settings are identical to all of the other voices. If I disable those two, then I can play successive notes without two presses being silent. Bug or ignorance on my part?
All input appreciated.

This was already reported at the official Arturia forum:
http://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=83577.0

I was not able to reproduce this with the VST2 plugin in Cubase 7.5 and Live 9 yet, maybe will reinstall the VST3 to see if it's a problem there. I removed the VST3 when i noticed a problem with saving patches with projects in Cubase 7.5 while it works nicely with the VST2 (i reported this to Arturia support and it is also mentioned at the forum).

BTW independent of this with pacthes that do not use Unison (and sometimes even for those) or a Multi patch you don't really always need the full 12 voices. Deactivating some voices for patches that don't need them will save some CPU.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:06 am

This was just asked by PM:
Matrix-12V does not seem to be able to import and/or export Sysex data from a real Matrix-12 or Xpander. THe only Arturia synth were this seems to work is Prophet V (with Both Prophet 5 and VS).
The Import/Export feature in MAtrix-12V only works for the internal format (export a single patch or bank).

UPDATE:
Matrix-12V seems to include all Matrix 12 factory patches but not sure abou the Xpander patches which seemed to be different. You could check the text files here (also Sysex files there):
http://www.tcapp.com/pub/synths/oberhei ... erPatches/

This is an editor which costs 15€ ( idon't have this) which could maybe used for re-programming patches from Sysex files: http://xplorer.programmer.free.fr/

I never owned or played a real Matrix-12 or Xpander yet while around 2004/2005 i had a Matrix 1000 and a Marion Pro Synth (by Tom Oberheim).

Ingo

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:00 pm

Ingonator wrote:
This was already reported at the official Arturia forum:
http://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=83577.0

I was not able to reproduce this with the VST2 plugin in Cubase 7.5 and Live 9 yet, maybe will reinstall the VST3 to see if it's a problem there. I removed the VST3 when i noticed a problem with saving patches with projects in Cubase 7.5 while it works nicely with the VST2.
Ingo

Thank you for this Ingo. I'll bet that if I remove the VST3 version, and go with 2, a lot of things that I own will work better. I'll do so with this and actually visit the Arturia thread while I'm at it...

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:21 pm

Ingonator wrote:
OutCider wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:I thought you said the Matrix sucked ?!?!
Was that was before the sound banks for sale announcement?
I have no clue what you talk about.

+1 What is that about?

Caesarg86 · Post by **Caesarg86** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:53 pm

I own many hardware synths, from Kurweils to Rolands to Yamahas, ets. I have many great sounds at my disposal...but even in many of those synths, there are/were some major weaknesses in the factory presets. By fine tuning and tweaking a little here and there it was easy to make a bland patch in to a monster patch. For example on my Roland MKS-70, I tweaked the factory presets on some of the more famous sounds because to my ears some sounds did not have the punch that was needed. In a state of the art studio, I am sure this is done to many instruments. I've committed myself to using Arturia softsynths, ever since the CS80V arrived. This upgrade was a no-brainer. I will always enjoy getting the most out of a synth that most people blow off as being dull. I will do this with the Matrix-12V. I owned a Yamaha CS20M, which by all accounts was a dull and uninspiring keyboard. Well, I got some fantastic sounds out of that machine, because I devoted some time to learning it's strengths and using them to my advantage. Just wanted to add my two-cents to a fantastic thread.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:15 pm

Caesarg86 wrote:I own many hardware synths, from Kurweils to Rolands to Yamahas, ets. I have many great sounds at my disposal...but even in many of those synths, there are/were some major weaknesses in the factory presets.

Yeah, more specifically in relation to the M12, the factory patches have to cover ground that will sell a synth, so there are a lot of bread and butter sounds that I think other synths can do much better. Also, it sometimes seems that very few of them really exploit the architecture to its full depth, but, with one serious caveat; many either use, or come very close to using, all 20 modulation routings.

So, in some sense this is a severe limitation of the original synth that is mitigated somewhat in the 12v as the 12v allows forty routings compared to the original M12's limitation of 20. For those thinking that 20 is a lot, remember, all of the things that you take for granted such as routing velocity everywhere consume a modulation routing in the M12. In my experience, it's really difficult to exploit the depth of the architecture in the M12 because of this limitation. It's really one of the reasons that I was very excited first about the K2000, then the Nord Modular, and finally Reaktor. The only advantage that the real hardware has over those other synths, IMNSHO, is that it is actually analog.

The M12 is the pinnacle of analog polysynth "design" from the 80s, but, I think that it came at an odd time technologically and it's not really the best way to make such a synth today. Technological limitations imposed some unfortunate constraints on the M12, the 20 mod routings being one of them, slow envelopes another.

YMMV.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:17 pm

Ingonator wrote:This was just asked by PM:
Matrix-12V does not seem to be able to import and/or export Sysex data from a real Matrix-12 or Xpander. THe only Arturia synth were this seems to work is Prophet V (with Both Prophet 5 and VS).
The Import/Export feature in MAtrix-12V only works for the internal format (export a single patch or bank).

This is really unfortunate.

Arturia's new plugins : Solina V and Matrix 12V