KVR Audio

yuk · Post by **yuk** » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:39 pm

engineering_red wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:44 am Hi!

My Windows 10 system decided to update to 20H2 version and I lost EMU driver and PatchMix. I tried to install it in exact manner as always (the guide from the first post), but it didn't help. In Device Manager I saw only "Multimedia Audio Controller". I renamed the 2 instances of the device name in the EMU_Driver_Fix script file — nothing. Tried a few times thinking I've overlooked something else, didn't help. So I rolled back to a previous working version 1909 and disabled updates for now. If anyone has the same issue or you have found the solution, please, let me know.

Thank you!

if you have an error "the installation of this device is forbidden by system policy" during installation, check Group Policy editor : (Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> System -> Device Installation -> Device Installation Restrictions -> Prevent installation of devices that match any of these Device IDs), and remove or disable device id of e-mu card if being listed.

AudioLab 00 · Post by **AudioLab 00** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:08 pm

Hi.
Fantastic to see that is still possible to use Emu PCI cards.
I started to try today. Plugged my Emu 404 pci to pcie x1 slot trough a Pci adapter.
Adapter Works perfectly but I can't start installation process.
Windows 10 recognizes my sound card as "Creative Audigy Audio Processor (WDM)" and not like E-mu pci.
I tried to change the 2 instances on script writing "Creative Audigy Audio Processor (WDM)" instead of "E-MU E-DSP Audio Processor (WDM)".
When trying to follow the step number 1 I get the error "setup is unable to detect supported product on your system".
Could someone explain me if I'm getting wrong or if this versión of Emu is not compatible with the process??
Thanks

Marcelo Ferreira · Post by **Marcelo Ferreira** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:21 pm

The problem now is with Windows 10 20H2. There are no updated drivers for 1212M. Does anyone have a solution? THX!

marbles22 · Post by **marbles22** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:42 pm

Just repeat process at the start of this topic. Worked for me!

AudioLab 00 · Post by **AudioLab 00** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:27 pm

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I'm trying all the ways possible to get my 404 pci working.
I found this
https://github.com/kxproject/kX-Audio-driver-website (https://github.com/kxproject/kX-Audio-driver-website)

Has anyone tried ths driver?
I installed it.
Apparently solved the problem tha Windows 10 recongizes my pci card as Audigy sound card but I get no sound.

alberto_balsalm · Post by **alberto_balsalm** » Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:09 am

If it helps somebody, I've replaced my old 1616m with a Focusrite 18i8 Gen 3. Latency wise the roundtrip (input + output) is worse, but the buffer size can be lowered considerably more and so you can get potentially lower roundtrip latencies for guitar and such. I did get crackling on slightly higher latencies (compared to 1616m) though, so performance wise it is a little bit worse, but my machine is fairly old now too. For VST instruments it's about the same, I get 6.1ms output latency at 128 samples, I got 6-something at 256 samples with my 1616m, and performance (when the crackling starts, that is) is roughly the same I think.

18i8 does have a routing software, but it's not as comprehensive as Patchmix. Additionally, they've combined ASIO and WDM outputs in a weird way, so basically what they call Playback 1/2 is both ASIO 1/2 and WDM 1/2. There's no way to separate these. You can expose additional WDM stereo channels (the output devices that you'll see in the Windows sound settings) if needed. Every hardware output can have its own mix of hardware inputs (via direct monitoring, and you don't get the 2ms DSP latency like on 1616m, a plus, potentially), as well as a mix of those Playback channels. So it's still flexible, but it's a tad confusing. There's no onboard DSP, but if you play around with the routing (you need a DAW or some kind of VST host though) you can make it so that separate outputs get their own VST processing.

Oh, and you also can't route between ASIO and WDM (as you might've gathered from the above), but there is a Loopback feature, and it also can be configured to deliver any kind of mix that includes Playback channels and hardware inputs. For example, Loopback that listens to Playback 1/2 will basically tap all of your WDM 1/2 and ASIO 1/2 audio. It's more limited, but for just basic stuff like recording a WDM stream for a game or something it will work fine.

The headphone output is a little bit beefier, and I think it has a little bit less noise when cranked, preamps and instrument inputs - I've no idea, I only use line inputs, but they should be pretty decent. Pretty cool that it has 2 separate headphone outs with their own separate signal paths, you can throw a different EQ on both of these via VST and route separate mixes, if needed.

All in all, for the price ($420) it's actually pretty good. There's just nothing comparable to what 1616m offered back in the day right now, the vast majority of interfaces are USB based, and for Windows, RME is king, and nearly everybody else is comparable to Focusrite Scarlett range in terms of latency, performance, and often features even (there are way more nice budget interfaces nowadays). RME is extremely expensive though, it's very hard to justify RME prices for a hobby musician. So yeah, if anyone's looking for a cheap replacement - it's a pretty decent option. If you want something better, just save up for an RME, I don't think there are any other good middle ground options.

OtterRocks · Post by **OtterRocks** » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:57 am

Latest Windows update knocked out my 0404 once again. But thanks for Sherwood Sounds and this post, I managed to reinstall it and get it going again.

Thanks again guys. Just wanted to show my appreciation because had some vital audio work this morning and not being able to fix it quickly would have caused all manner of problems.

Respect!

scienz · Post by **scienz** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:32 am

For years my 1616m had a broken channel that didn't work. I tried replacing opamps, a relay and removing the mute transistors but nothing helped. The difficult thing to debug the 1616m is the sandwich design so I build myself a pair of flat cables to be able to reach everything on the board while the 1616m is powered.
This way I found out that a 4.7 Ohm resistor that separates the broken channel's supply voltage from the -12V rail was not ok.
It is a 0603 resistor and I replaced it with two 10 Ohm 0805 resistors and everything works fine now.

I also replaced the NJM2068 opamp in the headphone amplifier circuit with a AD8599 opamp and to me it sounds like a big improvement. Also tried a OPA1688 and a LME49720 but the AD8599 sounded better.

BTW: does the 1616m work with Windows 8.1?

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:19 pm

Just to confirm:

The solution for the issues after Win 10 H2 (or any other update to the OS) from post #1 worked great here! In fact, by mistake, I did the "Install the EmuPMX_PCDrv_US_2_30_00_BETA" part AFTER rebooting into safe mode, but this did not cause any trouble.

auron · Post by **auron** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:41 am

Oh my, yesterday my old EMU1820m did a loud noise like you would hear a radio turned on and no channel selected. Then i openend the breakout box and saw that all the soldering is completely messed up, like a little river going here and there. Some of you guys have any idea, how to solve this mess?

auron · Post by **auron** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:47 am

@alberto: yes the 18i8 from Focusrite is pretty cool, but my dealer says 13-17 weeks time for delivery. Seems like a lot of people like this interface

planetearth · Post by **planetearth** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:13 am

auron wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:41 am Oh my, yesterday my old EMU1820m did a loud noise like you would hear a radio turned on and no channel selected. Then i openend the breakout box and saw that all the soldering is completely messed up, like a little river going here and there. Some of you guys have any idea, how to solve this mess?

If something basically exploded inside your 1820m and got it hot enough to melt the solder, you can't fix the 1820m. The only way to "solve" this issue is to replace the interface.

I'm sure that's not what you wanted to hear, but if "all the soldering is completely messed up, like a little river going here and there", then you really can't fix it. And if the solder really did melt, you can be sure some of the components burned up, too.

Steve

auron · Post by **auron** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:07 am

planetearth wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:13 am
auron wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:41 am Oh my, yesterday my old EMU1820m did a loud noise like you would hear a radio turned on and no channel selected. Then i openend the breakout box and saw that all the soldering is completely messed up, like a little river going here and there. Some of you guys have any idea, how to solve this mess?
If something basically exploded inside your 1820m and got it hot enough to melt the solder, you can't fix the 1820m. The only way to "solve" this issue is to replace the interface.

I'm sure that's not what you wanted to hear, but if "all the soldering is completely messed up, like a little river going here and there", then you really can't fix it. And if the solder really did melt, you can be sure some of the components burned up, too.

Steve

Oh no, i did a photo of the opened up device , that soldering is not too bad maybe? see the attached pics....

scienz · Post by **scienz** » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:30 pm

It doesn't look so bad. My 1616m does have some areas where it nearly looks the same.
All of these areas are around through hole mounted devices like connectors.
I think that they used selective wave soldering to solder the connectors or just plain wave soldering as the bottom side of the PCB does not have any parts.
I don't think that it is the problem but you can clean these areas with a PCB cleaner.

In most cases there is a problem with power. You should check with a multimeter if all voltages are ok.

auron · Post by **auron** » Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:12 am

Alright scienz, thanks for that cool information. I will try to give my best. i repaired most of the things in my pc so that should be not so hard, although a pcb cleaner is one of the things i dont actually have ever used

There are some videos on youtube demonstrating the cleaning process.

There is another problem, all the line in's on the backside are NOT working. Doesn't matter what kind of input they get like a jack cable connection from a keyboard, ipod or whatever device. Only the 2 front inputs are working.

E-MU 1616m, 1212m, 1820m, 0404 Audio Interface - Complete Windows 10 (1903 & Above) Installation Guide