Reason 11 announced!!!

[gentleclockdivider]

A little question about Reason Rack plugin: how many MIDI ports to rack devices does VST3 plugin support? With ReWire I was able to control every single rack device with a dedicated MIDI virtual port from ReWire master, so it would be useful to have same flexibility from the new VST3 plugin.

Thats what I am trying to point out why rewire is superior , rack vst has only 1 midi channel ( not a bus )
So if you're not sequencing fron the internal rack sequencers you're forced to load new rack vst's instances

Why is loading multiple instances such a problem? It’s just a rack, not the entire Reason program. Multitimbral plugin benefits are debatable anyway. Rewire being limited to one core definitely has no advantage in this regard. The only things that Rewire has as an advantage (as of now) is being able to use the Regroove mixer and use players or modulators with an EMI to send midi out to plugins via virtual midi. Otherwise the plugin does everything Rewire does and better.

Then people would be able to transfer all their reasons songs into their daw of choice , it would just be a case of midi exporting every instrument /effect lane and load these in your daw .
Now you'll have to re-create each and every instrument in a separate plugin , good luck with that

[neverenoughfunk]

do you need Live 10 to use Reason 11 as a VST?

i am only on Live 9...

just curious....

[antic604]

Then people would be able to transfer all their reasons songs into their daw of choice , it would just be a case of midi exporting every instrument /effect lane and load these in your daw. Now you'll have to re-create each and every instrument in a separate plugin , good luck with that

Or perhaps they could finish their Reason 10 rewired to Live/Reaper/Cubase/whatever song and only upgrade when theyre ready to start new songs? Learn to move on.

[antic604]

do you need Live 10 to use Reason 11 as a VST?

i am only on Live 9...

just curious....

Yes. Technically 10.1, because 10.0 didn't have VST3 support yet.

[Blaster]

Then people would be able to transfer all their reasons songs into their daw of choice , it would just be a case of midi exporting every instrument /effect lane and load these in your daw. Now you'll have to re-create each and every instrument in a separate plugin , good luck with that

Or perhaps they could finish their Reason 10 rewired to Live/Reaper/Cubase/whatever song and only upgrade when theyre ready to start new songs? Learn to move on.

Or keep both versions. It's not a huge amount of disk space..

[David]

David said:

On that score, what about CV I/O!? Reason 1 was the first soft-modular thing I ever saw (and loved), but now that it's got great company (Reaktor, Voltage Modular, VCV…), and has finally acknowledged the VST Universe, what's up with all this continued walled garden stuff?

Imho reason has never been a soft modular like reaktor or vcv , sure you have flexible audio routing and gate stuff ..but for audio rate modulation ..forget it .
The cv update rate (back cables ) is still a 64th of the actual sample rate , so that's 689 Hertz when your running at 44 KHz , this hasn't changed since 1.0 ...and that is way to low to get decent audio rate stuff going on
Reaktor (blocks ) , vcv et everything runs at samplerate

Fwiw, Re:
https://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic. ... bab7796d94

[anttimaatteri]

I'm leaning heavily towards purchasing Reason Intro on the weekend. Having all that stuff in Studio One is really attractive... maybe not the best sounding stuff ever, but... so much to play with. And i remember i really loved the RV7000 reverb.

i already bought it and tested it today.

first,
they REALLY need to fix the scaling problem ...no joke.
they still dont have m-audios code series in controller database...
second,
i just made the first few tutorial stuff, creating some drum tracks with kong and for 79eu getting these drums alone is worth buying. i like the drum sound better than any of the ableton drumkits.
and third,
if youre not familiar with reason, the first steps could be a bit of a pain in the ass experience. but it doesnt last long


tip
if you buy via https://www.hieber-lindberg.de/Search.h ... ram=reason you can use the klarna option for buying it via installment purchase.
ordered mine 2 days ago got it today and i pay 12 month or so.
;D i think its worth any penny to pruchase reason just for the racks u get and for the SOUND

[stash98]

I'm leaning heavily towards purchasing Reason Intro on the weekend. Having all that stuff in Studio One is really attractive... maybe not the best sounding stuff ever, but... so much to play with. And i remember i really loved the RV7000 reverb.

i already bought it and tested it today.

first,
they REALLY need to fix the scaling problem ...no joke.
they still dont have m-audios code series in controller database...
second,
i just made the first few tutorial stuff, creating some drum tracks with kong and for 79eu getting these drums alone is worth buying. i like the drum sound better than any of the ableton drumkits.
and third,
if youre not familiar with reason, the first steps could be a bit of a pain in the ass experience. but it doesnt last long


tip
if you buy via https://www.hieber-lindberg.de/Search.h ... ram=reason you can use the klarna option for buying it via installment purchase.
ordered mine 2 days ago got it today and i pay 12 month or so.
;D i think its worth any penny to pruchase reason just for the racks u get and for the SOUND

Nice. Did you get the Suite by chance or just intro? Curious how those drums and sequencers that come with it work. They look awesome.

[anttimaatteri]

I'm leaning heavily towards purchasing Reason Intro on the weekend. Having all that stuff in Studio One is really attractive... maybe not the best sounding stuff ever, but... so much to play with. And i remember i really loved the RV7000 reverb.

i already bought it and tested it today.

first,
they REALLY need to fix the scaling problem ...no joke.
they still dont have m-audios code series in controller database...
second,
i just made the first few tutorial stuff, creating some drum tracks with kong and for 79eu getting these drums alone is worth buying. i like the drum sound better than any of the ableton drumkits.
and third,
if youre not familiar with reason, the first steps could be a bit of a pain in the ass experience. but it doesnt last long


tip
if you buy via https://www.hieber-lindberg.de/Search.h ... ram=reason you can use the klarna option for buying it via installment purchase.
ordered mine 2 days ago got it today and i pay 12 month or so.
;D i think its worth any penny to pruchase reason just for the racks u get and for the SOUND

Nice. Did you get the Suite by chance or just intro? Curious how those drums and sequencers that come with it work. They look awesome.

"just" the intro version, but its enough to get an impression. intro version has 16 tracks!
and they will have a standard version with the 11 release.

[apoclypse]

do you need Live 10 to use Reason 11 as a VST?

i am only on Live 9...

just curious....

Yes. Technically 10.1, because 10.0 didn't have VST3 support yet.

It has AU support tho so if you are on a Mac it should technically work with Live 9 whenever the AU version gets released.

[qvprod]

A little question about Reason Rack plugin: how many MIDI ports to rack devices does VST3 plugin support? With ReWire I was able to control every single rack device with a dedicated MIDI virtual port from ReWire master, so it would be useful to have same flexibility from the new VST3 plugin.

Thats what I am trying to point out why rewire is superior , rack vst has only 1 midi channel ( not a bus )
So if you're not sequencing fron the internal rack sequencers you're forced to load new rack vst's instances

Why is loading multiple instances such a problem? It’s just a rack, not the entire Reason program. Multitimbral plugin benefits are debatable anyway. Rewire being limited to one core definitely has no advantage in this regard. The only things that Rewire has as an advantage (as of now) is being able to use the Regroove mixer and use players or modulators with an EMI to send midi out to plugins via virtual midi. Otherwise the plugin does everything Rewire does and better.

Then people would be able to transfer all their reasons songs into their daw of choice , it would just be a case of midi exporting every instrument /effect lane and load these in your daw .
Now you'll have to re-create each and every instrument in a separate plugin , good luck with that

That’s it? The Rack plugin loads combinators and device presets. Device and effect chains get saved as combinators. Easily switch for the few songs you’d need it for. I can’t imagine someone doing this for every Reason file they have ever made.

[chk071]

That’s it? The Rack plugin loads combinators and device presets. Device and effect chains get saved as combinators.

Hmm... that's awesome. I get tempted more and more.

[Lotuz2019]

If I understand correctly you can use combinators to combine Reason devices and VST plugins. This seems a very powerful feature to me. But unfortunately these VST plugin containing combinators won't work in the Reason Rack, right?

[RikkShow]

The new Reason Rack Plugin can NOT host VSTs, and it can not output midi to your DAW. Both these features have been requested. I suggest you email support and request them as well if think you would need them.

[machinesworking]

Thoughts on rewire going to the technological waste heap. It’s a shame, there was so much potential to create a newer more robust version of it. so don’t know how hard it would have been on the Windows side but there are a lot of resources for possible separate process level integration between two DAWs but nothing elegant. Rewire despite it’a flaws was as close as it gets. The fact remains, there’s a gap between the complex DAWs and the more streamlined ones. Live, Bitwig, Reason, Renoise, FL etc are fun to write in and occasionally you run into situations where you want to use DAWs like Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase, Reaper, DP etc. Rewire filled a gap a plug in doesn’t fill.

On the other hand, I haven’t used Reason in over ten years but never sold the license, so getting all the tools of Reason right in my DAW of choice has me getting the upgrade for VSTi 3 support. It’s just too bad it comes with the depreciation of rewire.