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pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:57 pm

zvenx wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:14 pm We are after all in the early honeymoon period of CLAP.

When something just works better, you recognize it right away.

I used to have an old, cheap jigsaw and it was hard to cut smooth and accurate curving lines in wood with it. So 3 years ago I bought a high quality jigsaw. From day one until today, that new jigsaw works better because that capability is actual.

The capability I am enjoying today with Bitwig and the new u-he CLAP plugins is actual and will not fade out over the course of a year. It is actual and the concept of a honeymoon period is not applicable to what is actual.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:01 pm

Yes but works better doesn't' mean it will be adopted as the standard...that old betamax cliché.

rsp

Super Piano Hater 64 · Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:07 pm

Licensing constraints were the downfall of Betamax. That won't be a problem for CLAP.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:09 pm

zvenx wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:01 pm Yes but works better doesn't' mean it will be adopted as the standard...that old betamax cliché.

I get it. You don't like that some people are critical of Steinberg and so you are defending them, which has also led you to adopt a somewhat negative attitude towards CLAP.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:10 pm

zvenx wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:01 pm Yes but works better doesn't' mean it will be adopted as the standard...

It also doesn't mean it won't be adopted.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:12 pm

EvilDragon wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:10 pm
zvenx wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:01 pm Yes but works better doesn't' mean it will be adopted as the standard...
It also doesn't mean it won't be adopted.

Indeed hence time will tell.
rsp

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:17 pm

pdxindy wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:09 pm
zvenx wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:01 pm Yes but works better doesn't' mean it will be adopted as the standard...that old betamax cliché.

I get it. You don't like that some people are critical of Steinberg and so you are defending them, which has also led you to adopt a somewhat negative attitude towards CLAP.

You know I would say you are 75% right, the other 25%.. I beta test for quite a few companies and get first hand hearing of all the problems that are unique to different platforms with different formats etc and it is a pita for developers and causes delays and so yes, yet another standard (regardless of the semantics) adds to that.

But I don't want CLAP to fail at all.
I think it is no secret that Urs is my favourite software synth developer and if he is excited (and I have never seen him this excited), I am excited for that reason.

Also I think despite what SB may 'believe'

, that it will have functionality that will hopefully influence SB to say, wow that is cool, let us add that to vst3 etc.

And it also makes some people excited.. I am not in the modular world currently, but for sure I already see it will have far reaching influence in that world.

rsp

BoogerSnot · Post by **BoogerSnot** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:22 pm

CLAP... thoughts?

I'm thinking, I really should look into buying more hardware.

Tired of software not working right. I know, I know, CLAP will fix this! That's what they said the last time.

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:29 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:35 pm
melomood wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:32 pm It's almost like they were hoping something like this would happen
My guess is that they have to be thinking AAX adoption is a bit slow too and feel like they're bleeding marketshare to other hosts/formats in the hobbyist end of the market. CLAP being successful, and Pro Tools supporting it, would make a lot of sense for them.

Avid/DigiDesign have created more plugin formats than anyone, and they've been doing it longer. If Avid wanted something like that, they would have created it themselves. They don't need to sit around hoping some hobbyists creates a new standard for them.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:52 pm

You don't think calling either Alexandre or Urs hobbyists is a step too far?
rsp

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:58 pm

With Pro Tools it is my understanding that one can exchange pro tools projects with someone who only runs aax native if you yourself run some aax dsp plugins and it will automatically switch, and vice versa.

How would something like this work with CLAP?

rsp

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:03 pm

Offloading plugin processing to external DSP can definitely be made as an extension to CLAP - not all DAWs would need to subscribe to using that extension, but the one host that needs it could definitely have it.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:05 pm

What I was really asking, was I imagine this ability by pro tools is well loved and utilized and may be a big deal for someone.
Start a project in the studio, take it home and continue on your laptop, seamlessly, and then back the next studio continue in the studio (with the hdx devices).

I can't imagine Avid taking that for granted.

Maybe they will allow AAX and CLAP in pro tools... still waiting for their official statement.
rsp

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:24 pm

Yeah I know what you meant. Just saying, what AVID needs there is an extension to fulfill their requirement(s). They can propose that extension themselves.

Similarly to how Celemony+Presonus extended VST2/3 with ARA.

gnu23 · Post by **gnu23** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:32 pm

Having taken a similar thread briefly off-topic, I'll be more careful here:

I'm excited about CLAP's possibilities and look forward to its build-out and refinement over time. Simple as that.