Ooh, I like This Modular Rack...

[Stefken]

I'm leaning towards the ARP for now unless someone can point me towards something brilliant about the TipTop-Buchla that I'm missing. Any other suggestions?

There is the cheapo Behringer 182, but i rather add another 960 as i prefer that one to the ARP.

[ghettosynth]

I'm leaning towards the ARP for now unless someone can point me towards something brilliant about the TipTop-Buchla that I'm missing. Any other suggestions?

There is the cheapo Behringer 182, but i rather add another 960 as i prefer that one to the ARP.

Yeah, I had more hope for the System 100m stuff as I have been a Roland vintage fan in the past, but I only like a small subset of it and the 182 does not cut the mustard. Tiny pots on a sequencer are a terrible idea.

I do like the RYK-185, but I hate slide switches with multiple positions. In kit form it's almost reasonbly priced, but, it's definitely a microprocessor based sequencer. That might be ok, I don't know. I like the appeal of old school CMOS/TTL only.



I think that it's hard to beat the B.ARP as I have the mix sequencer already. That said, I'm going to wait a few months and get some DIY done. It's not like the B.ARP stuff is going anywhere.

[justin3am]

One of the coolest things about the 245 and 245t is the stage address inputs being able to select stages with gates or with a voltage is very much underrated, IMO.

One of my favorite analog sequencers was Orbitals from Hexinverter. It had a lot of neat features and was super flexible. It was a pretty large module but that made it very playable. Too bad it was discontinued but there is always the second hand market.

[ghettosynth]

One of the coolest things about the 245 and 245t is the stage address inputs being able to select stages with gates or with a voltage is very much underrated, IMO.

One of my favorite analog sequencers was Orbitals from Hexinverter. It had a lot of neat features and was super flexible. It was a pretty large module but that made it very playable. Too bad it was discontinued but there is always the second hand market.

Ah, at first I thought, like the 960? But then I realized that the analog input selects the stage based on voltage. So one can apply a waveshaped LFO for some interesting motion in the sequence, cool. Do you know how fast the sequencer will run?

[foosnark]

+1 ... and perhaps some 'mults', unless you don't have an aversion to spending stupid money on 'stack-able' cables.

The ones from Modular Addict are a lot cheaper than TipTop. I think Hosa makes a variation on them too.

[justin3am]

Ah, at first I thought, like the 960? But then I realized that the analog input selects the stage based on voltage. So one can apply a waveshaped LFO for some interesting motion in the sequence, cool. Do you know how fast the sequencer will run?

The 245 I assume? I haven't used the 245t but I assume it's very close to the Buchla 245, in which case it's all transistor logic/CMOS and will easily run at audio rate.

Orbitals has an MCU but it's only used for the mode selection stuff, the sequencer itself is all analog and will also run at audio rate.

[Constructed Identity]

Sequencers is where it gets really overwhelming for someone who is just starting out.
I am looking at the pages on Perfect Circuit...EXPENSIVE! or OUT OF STOCK
Already mentioned I wanted to copy Mylar melodies and get a Turing machine, but of course I will need a more traditional type of sequencer. God knows - this is why I don't even want to start!

Just make sure you have something to sequence from the computer… I find PNW with the mmMidi works great for me, but there’s lots of ways to do this.

After that, I do have 0-Ctrl, East Beast, West Pest and Korg SQ-64.

I don't understand this.
I will be sequencing my Swarm + drum modules/samples. The Civilization looks interesting to play something into the rack, but I know it's not what I really need for a main seq.

It just depends on what you want from sequencing... They're all just different options that can also work. I don't know if this is what you want but this is how I use things.

When I want something less predictable, I'll use 0-Ctrl. I could tune each note event, but I often like the micro tuning result by not doing this.

When I want predictable, where I only need to tune the VCO, I'll send Midi from my DAW to mmMidi and just use V/Oct and Gate for triggering notes.

There's even an expander, ALM's mmT that's used specifically for just triggering drums.

If it's used with Pamela's New (or Pro) Workout, you can send out clock that syncs with your DAW for recording.

The plan is to have a self-contained box that will make wicked techno or ambient with the drums off. I want more than one sequencer because the drums should be more predictable than the Quadrantid Swarm and also to potentially sequence sequences...or sample sequences.
Behringer's 1050 or 1024 would probably be good for drums? The Turing Maching gets Swarm duty and then I can get a splitter and effects
I am moving this month so it's all on back burner.

[Stefken]

Behringer rs-9 drum sequencer is probably worth waiting for.

[ghettosynth]

Ah, at first I thought, like the 960? But then I realized that the analog input selects the stage based on voltage. So one can apply a waveshaped LFO for some interesting motion in the sequence, cool. Do you know how fast the sequencer will run?

The 245 I assume? I haven't used the 245t but I assume it's very close to the Buchla 245, in which case it's all transistor logic/CMOS and will easily run at audio rate.

Orbitals has an MCU but it's only used for the mode selection stuff, the sequencer itself is all analog and will also run at audio rate.

Ok, cool, tnx. I just realized that I have a panl/pcb for a synthrotek 4017 based sequencer. At any rate, the analog input does present an interesting DIY thought for this. A sequencer based off of a DAC+decoder could then just be driven with an LFO.

I like the 245t, well, I like all of the tip-top buchla things. I'll wait until the quad LPG comes out and see how tempted I am.

[ghettosynth]

Behringer rs-9 drum sequencer is probably worth waiting for.

For drum sequencing in the rack, yes. That said, I like not using real sequencers for techno. PAMs plus assorted gate processing can be fun.

[elxsound]

Any thought on Dreadbox’s Utopia?

Seems like a nice multi-tool, mixer, splitter, buffered multi, LFO and a neat “pulseriser”

I only started looking at after thinking of getting Ataxia, but it seems to be discontinued.

[ghettosynth]

Any thought on Dreadbox’s Utopia?

Seems like a nice multi-tool, mixer, splitter, buffered multi, LFO and a neat “pulseriser”

I only started looking at after thinking of getting Ataxia, but it seems to be discontinued.

That series seems to be a decent value series. I like many of them more than some of the B.Roland System 100 alternatives, but, I'm not a fan of those tiny pots for attenuverters.

I love this..



But it's stupidly overpriced, to the point of gouging IMO. It's four attenuverters with sliders and some half-ass voltage reference FFS. It's also not as flexible.

[vurt]

Anyone see any problems with organizing the rack this way?

• Row 1: VCOs

• Row 2: Filters & Envelopes

• Row 3: Utilities?

• Row 4: Fx

Nope, I have mine 'mostly' cased by category.

But you may want to sprinkle mixers round there a bit rather than under Utilities, depending on any aversions to longer cables.

Good call… I have more voices than I used to after getting XPO, so a mixer would be smart.

No aversion to longer cables since they’re essential in my current setup, but without a mixer, I won’t really be able to use all of it if I wanted to.

mine ended up more "as i added them" so there is really no pattern to it, closest i managed to that is any "outputs/mixer" type things, go on the right

mono or stereo mixer?
i have one of each. 1 is more for mixing oscillators pre filter, then the stereo is my mixer that i use to control output mix.
imo xpo qpas and mimeophon need the stereo, but for one stereo voice it may not be necessary,can go straight to output, but i have quite a few stereo modules.

[elxsound]

Anyone see any problems with organizing the rack this way?

• Row 1: VCOs

• Row 2: Filters & Envelopes

• Row 3: Utilities?

• Row 4: Fx

Nope, I have mine 'mostly' cased by category.

But you may want to sprinkle mixers round there a bit rather than under Utilities, depending on any aversions to longer cables.

Good call… I have more voices than I used to after getting XPO, so a mixer would be smart.

No aversion to longer cables since they’re essential in my current setup, but without a mixer, I won’t really be able to use all of it if I wanted to.

mine ended up more "as i added them" so there is really no pattern to it, closest i managed to that is any "outputs/mixer" type things, go on the right

mono or stereo mixer?
i have one of each. 1 is more for mixing oscillators pre filter, then the stereo is my mixer that i use to control output mix.
imo xpo qpas and mimeophon need the stereo, but for one stereo voice it may not be necessary,can go straight to output, but i have quite a few stereo modules.

I was just looking at that mono vs stereo kinda mucking things up a bit. Luckily the effect are all built with mono and stereo sources in mind. It still gets messy considering signal flow through end of chain.

Here’s the latest idea…

And I definitely don’t need Blade (Razor). If I ever get it, that would be the last one to buy, but I don’t need it at all.

The possible shopping list here:

SSF Steady State Gate
MN Wogglebug
MN Echophon
MN Erbe-Verb
Dreadbox Utopia
Tesseract 8x8 Matrix
ALA Auris (Ears clone)
*ALA Razor (Blade clone) Big Maybe
MN X-Pan
X2 MN Multis
X2 1hp blanks

[vurt]

looks good!

also, don't you still have the pods?
maybe, if mixing does become an issue, you could build a standalone mixer in one of those?