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KrunietZ · Post by **KrunietZ** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:36 pm

So is it possible to beat a beat?

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:01 pm

who call a generation "the beat."

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:28 pm

xoxos wrote:who call a generation "the beat."

http://beatgeneration.meetup.com/

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:33 pm

"boy, it sure does look like they'd have to be in grade school to degrade themselves to an extent like that blah blah blah"

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:38 pm

Nope, they are just followers of a certain group of poets who write about certain issues in a certain style.

.....the movement that began in the early 1950's with a small and tightly connected group of young writers who demonstrated a care-free, often wreckless and unquestionably fresh approach to literature as well as a demonstrative social stance toward what was sometimes referred to as "The Establishment".....

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:14 pm

you surely all know 'on the road'?

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:17 pm

it was Kerouac who came up first with the word 'beat' as a description for their style b.t.w. - however it's still not quite clear why exactly he chose it...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:18 pm

jens quoth you surely all know 'on the road'?

You hum a few bars, and we'll join in...

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:22 pm

jens wrote:you surely all know 'on the road'?

Just can't wait to get on the road again
The life I love is makin' music with my friends...

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:24 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:jens quoth you surely all know 'on the road'?

You hum a few bars, and we'll join in...

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:25 pm

jens wrote:it was Kerouac who came up first with the word 'beat' as a description for their style b.t.w. - however it's still not quite clear why exactly he chose it...

Reportedly

http://www.rooknet.com/beatpage/ wrote:The term "Beat" was reportedly coined by Jack Kerouac in the late 1940's, but became more common at about the time that writers like himself, Allen Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti were beginning to get noticed. It was quickly becoming a slang term in America after World War II, meaning "exhausted" or "beat down" and provided this generation with a definitive label

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:44 pm

Sepheritoh wrote:
jens wrote:it was Kerouac who came up first with the word 'beat' as a description for their style b.t.w. - however it's still not quite clear why exactly he chose it...
Reportedly

http://www.rooknet.com/beatpage/ wrote:The term "Beat" was reportedly coined by Jack Kerouac in the late 1940's, but became more common at about the time that writers like himself, Allen Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti were beginning to get noticed. It was quickly becoming a slang term in America after World War II, meaning "exhausted" or "beat down" and provided this generation with a definitive label

Interesting

(however it's still the question if that's what Kerouac actually meant...)

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:46 pm

When you cast your eyes upon the skylines
Of this once proud nation
Can you sense the fear and the hatred
Growoing in the hearts of its population

And our youth, oh youth, are being seduced
by the greedy hands of politics and half truths

The beaten generation, the beaten generation
Reared on a diet of prejudice and mis-information
The beaten generation, the beaten generation
Open your eyes, open your imagination

We're being sedated by the gasoline fumes
and hypnotised by the satellites
Into believing what is good and what is right

You may be worshipping the temples of mammon
Or lost in the prisons of religion
But can you still walk back to happiness
When you've nowhere left to run?

And if they send in the special police
To deliver us from liberty and keep us from peace

Then won't the words sit ill upon their tongues
when they tell us justice is being done
and that freedom lives in the barrels of a warm gun

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:49 pm

you see Xoxos - now we have a perfect circle

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:52 pm

Personnally I am not very up to date with Kerouac's works like On the road (only aware of it) but know a little bit about Ginsberg who was his friend. The page quoted there does not really say it, but I think that it was Ginsberg who "reportly" said that it refered to the "beaten" generation, i.e. the ones who were beaten by the establishment. Ginsberg was himself one of the first bi-sexuals who openly admitted it and was labeled as an outcast for it.

Who call a song a "beat"