Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[drdriller]

BTW ppl, even original Massive didn't have real world values displayed, and you couldn't type them in. It's a design decision that MX continues.

definitly part of massive philosophy, analog feeling, no numeric value, no button reset.

[Teksonik]

Super 8 is Reaktor based, Reaktor doesn't use GPU acceleration like MX. Qt is used for the GUI framework, that's the QMLC files you're seeing AFAIK.

I see, thanks. Oh well I've got Hive 2, Dune 3, and VPS Avenger for WT synths all of which run just fine on this test/internet system and an order of magnitude better on my studio computer.

What's your GPU? Are you using the latest drivers?

This system has onboard Intel HD Graphics with the latest drivers. Like I said it runs everything else I've thrown at it.

Seems like Native Instrument is needlessly over complicating things.......

[Whywhy]

Awesome synth !
Need some time to explore all that modules.

A little question, I didn't try it, but I can see 2 Mod into the patch bay, matrix, how do you use it?
You assign a mod source but what do you modulate with that ?

[chk071]

While I also like to talk about this technical stuff and put synths through different tests I wonder how many people have ever listened to their favorite song on the radio (or stream) and said: "Something's not right with this song. I guess they have used synths that alias heavily." So while this stuff might be interesting from a technical perspective it's not that important from a practical perspective.

Actually, i guess rather the opposite. I often read people talking about how great the early digital VA synths sound. Seems like some definitely dig a healthy portion of aliasing.

[Rivanni]

I’m not sure that you are one of us here that made the personal attack, but since we all share the same hobby/passion (and I’ve said this before) I also don’t understand the personal attacks.

Thing is, he pretty much comes off as trying to bad mouth the developer. Why not just state his assumptions here, and, especially, let NI know about his observations? Instead he does a video with the title "Massive X aliases more than Massive (SCANDAL!!!)" (ok, i added the scandal)

So only praise videos are allowed? Or should positive experiences also first be submitted to NI?
He did not bad mouth NI and just stated his findings. Whether those are correct or not is a different thing.
You're the one blowing things up by calling it a scandal and saying he's bad mouthing NI.

[chk071]

So only praise videos are allowed? O

No, not at all. It's just that you should have solid facts to back up your claims, otherwise, you'd make a fool of yourself, and influence a lot of other people with your false claims. Which makes you... what exactly? I'll leave that up to you. I stated my thoughts in that regard in my former posts.

It's not the first time, BTW. He should stick to making music, instead of talking about things he obviously doesn't know properly.

[fisherKing]

am impressed so far; i abandoned the original massive some years ago (it had been my first 3rd-party plugin). just got tired of it.

but MX sounds really good; dense, modern (i don't think that's a bad word), and will undoubtedly buy it (if, for nothing else, the joy of having a million NI files scattered all over my mac)

fwiw, do developers live in caves? all my newer plugins have wobble basses.. does anyone still use those anymore?

[pdxindy]

BTW ppl, even original Massive didn't have real world values displayed, and you couldn't type them in. It's a design decision that MX continues.

Yup... I didn't particularly like it in Massive and like it much less in Massive X cause there are so many little controls in MX and which can have a big impact on the sound. MX is such a complex synth and they make it near impossible to duplicate some things I like in one preset into another.

[swatwork]

Yet, many if not most people immediately went on an offensive attacking the dude, justified by lots of speculation about what it could be. Alternatively, a respectful response could have acknowledged why sadowick might have been mistaken, and then helped him derive a process to prove it for himself. Instead he was viciously attacked; even mocked for having cancer. Frankly, I found that disgusting, having had family members die of the disease and seen firsthand the fear and helplessness the diagnosis caused the whole family to feel.

f**k
yes, that is disgusting.

Well it would have been had it actually happened. I think the actual comment was:

And before people will start saying "oh but he has cancer you should be nicer to him", FU, having cancer doesnt make you suddenly right because some people are feeling sorry.

Unnecessary, but hardly 'mocking'.

[mladi]

So you might be ready to ask, "Why can't you make music with THIS synth?"

Well, I could. Absolutely. But, and this is where I finally stopped falling into this trap, when you take these synths with a sound that's bigger than life, and try to fit them into a track of music, well, you end up having to EQ the hell out of them so that they DO fit. Otherwise, they drown everything else out. All that low end on pads? You know that has to go, thinned out to almost nothing so that it doesn't drown out the vocals.

So I don't need another synth that sounds bigger than life to make music where I only end up destroying half the sound just to make it fit in the mix. I have plenty of them already. And my days of sitting and twiddling knobs and listening to the sound of a synth just for the sake of it are long gone.

Hmmm.. i don't understand this statement. You have to mix all tracks in a song what else? Sayin' the pads sound thin alone? Of course they do they are mixed but if you want to talk about why it's better not to use those "overdressed" factory presets in a track then that is a different story.

[perpetual3]

Yet, many if not most people immediately went on an offensive attacking the dude, justified by lots of speculation about what it could be. Alternatively, a respectful response could have acknowledged why sadowick might have been mistaken, and then helped him derive a process to prove it for himself. Instead he was viciously attacked; even mocked for having cancer. Frankly, I found that disgusting, having had family members die of the disease and seen firsthand the fear and helplessness the diagnosis caused the whole family to feel.

f**k
yes, that is disgusting.

Well it would have been had it actually happened. I think the actual comment was:

And before people will start saying "oh but he has cancer you should be nicer to him", FU, having cancer doesnt make you suddenly right because some people are feeling sorry.

Unnecessary, but hardly 'mocking'.

Seriously? You don’t see that as mocking him - you have cancer, but FU?

Actually, you’re right - it’s worse!

[EvilDragon]

This system has onboard Intel HD Graphics with the latest drivers. Like I said it runs everything else I've thrown at it.

I have Intel HD 530 on my 6700K. I only get some flickers here and there. It's a known issue with Intel GPUs, they're working on it.

[Functional]

Seriously? You don’t see that as mocking him - you have cancer, but FU?

Actually, you’re right - it’s worse!

"FU" to the people who supposedly would have said that. Yes, it's mocking them, not him. But I also agree that it was unnecessary, because I doubt anyone would have employed that line of defense for his claims. But no, the actual comment wasn't an attack against him, although tasteless to bring it up.

[Mushy Mushy]

I’ve been following sadowick for years on YouTube and he sounds like a really nice guy and I’ve definitely learned a lot from him. He’s not one of those “it’s ya boy” wankers.

[graspee]

The sine wave in Massive X produces harmonics over the whole note range. Can't be aliasing, AFAIC. Maybe there's some on top of that, when you go up the frequency. As far as i understood it, every digital synth aliases.

There's no harmonics on sine wave if the filter is turned off. It seems all that "aliasing" just a filter overdrive behavior.

... or more likely, the sine in the wavetable is not a perfect sine but has some overtones.

I bypassed the filter (using Routing) and thought I saw the same results but maybe I missed something. It's more a curiosity for me; I already own the synth.

Dead horse, beaten.

It's not the filter filter it's the filter control on the waveshaping stuff. See where my mouse cursor is on the left of this screenshot.

https://i.imgur.com/baazZvG.png