ValhallaPlate Updated to Version 1.5.0

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Sean, any chance (perhaps for a future release, not necessarily this one) of adding previous/next buttons for the Modes like you have for the presets?

To get a reverb I'm happy with, I usually solo the buss, dial in a decay time that works well (mix 100% wet), then try out a few different reverb modes until I get in the ballpark of the sound I'm looking for. From there, I'll tweak the other controls. Right now, to audition between each reverb mode, I have to 1) click the Mode name to open the menu, then 2) narrow my mouse in to the exact mode and click it. It's a tiny bit more tedious than just clicking a previous/next button to audition between modes.

Small, small change, but it would make the experience of trying out different modes a lot faster for me. This would be helpful in just about all Valhalla plugins.

EDIT: just realized I can use the arrow keys on my keyboard, which is even faster. Disregard the above.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Getting small graphical glitches in Windows 8.1. Looks like a portion of prior bits of text can hang out:



This is with Windows 8.1 x64, Studio One 3.1.1 x64, AMD Radeon R7 200 GPU, resolution 1980x1020.

[Beatworld]

For me, this Thread has two outstanding features.

1. Valhalla Plate - goes without saying, a FANTASTIC reverb.

2. Discovering Adele's 25 album - what a stunning piece of work at every level, the first 6 tracks in particular are SUPERB.

[Sampleconstruct]

Testing Radium mode - true input stereo processing - with one of my Phonem patches:

https://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/ ... tereo-test

Preset:
<ValhallaPlate pluginVersion="1.5.0" presetName="Long Stereo Input Plate" Mix="0.36000001430511474609" PreDelay="0.21199999749660491943" Decay="0.90799999237060546875" Size="0.74400001764297485352" Width="0.68000000715255737305" ModRate="0.32899999618530273438" ModDepth="0.46000000834465026855" LowEQFreq="0.42100000381469726562" LowEQGain="0.23600000143051147461" HighEQFreq="0.17200000584125518799" HighEQGain="0.75599998235702514648" Type="0.4583333432674407959"/>

[caulixtla]

if you're a ValhallaPlate owner, you can log into your account and try out the 1.5.0 beta, for both Windows and OSX now.

Using Hermann Seib’s 64-bit VSTHost, I was able to run all 12 modes of Valhalla Plate with both the 32-bit and 64-bit beta dll file in Windows 7 without any problem. All looks good here.

[Arrested Developer]

Testing Radium mode - true input stereo processing - with one of my Phonem patches:

Sounds great...
I think i have to take a closer look at V-Plate...

[4damind]

I'm in testing mode

Maybe Sean can explain a bit Radium. Typical the input signal is always mixed to mono and this are 2 plates so it's a true stereo plate reverb?
With my testings it's the only type which preserves the stereo image, it sounds a lot better compared to other types for panned/stereo fx sounds. Is there a downside?

[caulixtla]

One thing I have noticed is that all of the presets appear to use sine wave modulation, and that the modulation can be quite intense, to the point of being a special effect, and that modulation depth has different values in different plate types.

I also notice that, unlike classic 1980s algorithmic reverbs, the plate reverbs sound really nice and dense without needing any modulation.

[valhallasound]

I'm in testing mode

Maybe Sean can explain a bit Radium. Typical the input signal is always mixed to mono and this are 2 plates so it's a true stereo plate reverb?
With my testings it's the only type which preserves the stereo image, it sounds a lot better compared to other types for panned/stereo fx sounds. Is there a downside?

Most of the models in ValhallaPlate are what I would describe as a "single stereo plate":

- 1 sheet of steel, 1 damper
- 2 input drivers
- 2 output pickups

This results in a stereo image, where a signal injected into the left or right side quickly fills the entire stereo field. A stereo chamber, or small stereo room, behaves in a similar way. This doesn't preserve the stereo panning of the input signal, but it does avoid the sort of cancellations you can hear when a stereo mic'ed signal is mixed to mono before being sent to a reverb. In my opinion, this is the most "natural" behavior, as this is what we are used to hearing in physical acoustic spaces.

The Adamantium, Titanium and Osmium modes in the 1.5.0 update are mono-in, stereo-out. This models 1 plate, with 1 sheet of steel, 1 damper, 1 input driver, 2 output pickups. These are the closest to "old school" plates.

Radium is more of a "parallel stereo" plate:

- 2 different plates, 1 for left, 1 for right
- Each plate has 1 sheet of steel, 1 damper, 1 input driver, 1 output pickup
- The sheets of steel for left and right channels have different tensions, so they have different resonance & echo distributions
- The dampers (the felt sheets that adjust the reverb time) for left and right channels are PRECISELY matched, so that the decay time is the same in both channels

This results in a reverb that maintains the panning position of any input signals, while still generating a wide stereo image from a mono signal panned to the center. In other words, you have 2 parallel, decorrelated plates.

Sean Costello

[valhallasound]

One thing I have noticed is that all of the presets appear to use sine wave modulation, and that the modulation can be quite intense, to the point of being a special effect, and that modulation depth has different values in different plate types.

Multi-phase sine modulation. This is different than the modulation I have used in the previous Valhalla plugin reverbs.

As far as modulation depth being different, I think that every reverb has the same modulation depth, as far as the depth of the excursion. The perceived depth is based on where I locate the modulation in the reverb network, the overall length of the delays, that sort of thing.

I also notice that, unlike classic 1980s algorithmic reverbs, the plate reverbs sound really nice and dense without needing any modulation.

That was a big goal of ValhallaPlate. Get things sounding like a physical plate, or smoother than a physical plate, without having to resort to modulation. The modulation is there if you want to use it, but it isn't a requirement, nor is it the focus of the plugin.

Sean Costello

[Tp3]

The Adamantium, Titanium and Osmium modes in the 1.5.0 update are mono-in, stereo-out. This models 1 plate, with 1 sheet of steel, 1 damper, 1 input driver, 2 output pickups. These are the closest to "old school" plates.

WOW ...

I li..... no wait, I'll let Jim Carry tell what I think about it :

[4damind]

[double post]

[4damind]

Thank you Sean to explain this. Very helpful to get a better idea about this new types

[Agility]

Awesome, just awesome!!

Think Radium will be my most used now.. just a question, that sort of setup wouldn't exist in the real world would it?? Not that it matters, it does the panning verb thing well!

Where does Lithium tie in, it pans aswell but is slightly different sounding... ?

When you say "Adamantium, Titanium and Osmium" are closest to old school plates are you referencing any in particular? and if you drag the width to mono is that then a 'true' mono plate?

Thanks.

[valhallasound]

Awesome, just awesome!!

Think Radium will be my most used now.. just a question, that sort of setup wouldn't exist in the real world would it?? Not that it matters, it does the panning verb thing well!

It would be difficult to set up a Radium type setup in the real world. Exactly matching the decay times of different plates would be near impossible. Having said that, here's how you could do it, outside of real time:

- Send the left channel of your pre-recorded track into the (mono) input of a standard EMT140
- Take the left channel out, and use it as your left reverb output
- Next, send the right channel of your pre-recorded track into the (mono) input of the same EMT140
- Take the right channel out, and use it as your right reverb output

This would allow you to share the same physical characteristics of the plate, while having decorrelated outputs.

Where does Lithium tie in, it pans aswell but is slightly different sounding... ?

Lithium is another stereo-in, stereo-out plate, but where the energy from one channel takes longer to migrate to both channels. No real analogy in the plate world. This would be closer to the reverb chambers at Capitol Studios in LA, where there are 2 reverb chambers that are "coupled" via a shared air space at the top.

When you say "Adamantium, Titanium and Osmium" are closest to old school plates are you referencing any in particular? and if you drag the width to mono is that then a 'true' mono plate?

I view those modes as more like old school plates, in that they are brighter (yet also darker in some cases), can get a bit ringier than the other ValhallaPlate modes, and have the mono inputs.

As far as dragging the width to mono, this won't get you a mono plate. This is closest to a stereo EMT140, where both outputs are combined. For a true mono plate, use the mono-in, mono-out mode when selecting your plugin (available in most DAWs, although I don't think Reaper has this).

Sean Costello