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fmr wrote:Interesting things left from Roland lineup are V-Synth, S-770 sampler, V-Drums Drum module, and organ module and that's it.
The S770 is a good sounding sampler. We take that for granted these days. Moving along...

As for the V-Drums module - have you *tried* any of these? I had a V-Drums kit for some years, and the sound module was by far the worst part of the system. For those who still think the V-Drum system is a physically modelled drum engine, this is not true - it's just fairly small samples, with DSP/COSM engines for FX. Proper modern drum sample libraries are *way* more natural sounding. Hint - have a listen to the drum sounds in the JV-1080 plugin. That was more or less what you got in the V-Drums brains of the time, with a few more drum sample options, a different interface and some pseudo modelling stuff like being able to switch shells (just picking different samples, really).

I'm sure more recent V-Drum brains are better sounding than the ones from ten years ago, but everytime I've listened to demos/playing even on recent kits I'm frankly a little appalled.

There is nothing worth modelling from the V-Drums imo - the good things about it are the kit/pads/hardware, but use something else for the sounds.

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Well, Roland did not offer their own plugin versions of the vintage drum machines yet. A lot to add there in terms of new plugins...

FWIW a dedicated TB-303 plugin is still missing too.

As a next plugin addition i would be interested in a JP-8000 and/or JP-8080 even if t System-8 plugin might get close to it.
Ingo Weidner
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I'd be very interested in that too, i have a feeling though that (as you and others have mentioned) it might not happen, and that the System-8 is actually their "modern" final take on it.

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chk071 wrote:I'd be very interested in that too, i have a feeling though that (as you and others have mentioned) it might not happen, and that the System-8 is actually their "modern" final take on it.
I can see the JP-8000/8080 being a good candidate for Roland to do - not too hard to implement, fits into the plugin format easily enough, not too CPU demanding, and they can market it with some "legendary 90s trance synth" status...

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I hope for a MC-303/505/307 replication for the cloud, this would be fun! :party:

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beely wrote:
fmr wrote:Interesting things left from Roland lineup are V-Synth, S-770 sampler, V-Drums Drum module, and organ module and that's it.
The S770 is a good sounding sampler. We take that for granted these days. Moving along...

As for the V-Drums module - have you *tried* any of these? I had a V-Drums kit for some years, and the sound module was by far the worst part of the system. For those who still think the V-Drum system is a physically modelled drum engine, this is not true - it's just fairly small samples, with DSP/COSM engines for FX. Proper modern drum sample libraries are *way* more natural sounding. Hint - have a listen to the drum sounds in the JV-1080 plugin. That was more or less what you got in the V-Drums brains of the time, with a few more drum sample options, a different interface and some pseudo modelling stuff like being able to switch shells (just picking different samples, really).

I'm sure more recent V-Drum brains are better sounding than the ones from ten years ago, but everytime I've listened to demos/playing even on recent kits I'm frankly a little appalled.

There is nothing worth modelling from the V-Drums imo - the good things about it are the kit/pads/hardware, but use something else for the sounds.
OK, but it wasn't me who wrote that... robotmonkey did :D

Anyway, I mentioned the S-770 first, and I think it certainly had its own flavour, and since there is now a demand for "vintage samplers", why not? Sure, we have many samplers, but I think that the S-770 would still have something to add.

V-Drum I would not argue with you, since I have zero experience in that chapter. So, if you say it isn't worth it, I will take your word on it.
Fernando (FMR)

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Sorry, quote fail, my bad!

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When can we expect the tool for the JV1080 ?

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Spirit2017 wrote:When can we expect the tool for the JV1080 ?
When it's ready. :)

I'm working on it, but it depends on many things, not least other commitments. Hopefully within a week, maybe sooner, depending on what happens and what interesting challenges the conversions throw up...

Edit: It's more complex than the D50 one, many more parameters, multiple machine types to convert to the plugin, patch and rhythm data types to handle etc. But it's coming along fine...

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tedannemann wrote:I hope for a MC-303/505/307 replication for the cloud, this would be fun! :party:
When they add an interactive sequencer which is integrated and run their plugins perfectly, their cloud system will be more complete. They have a long experience in making sequencers and grooveboxes, it's going to be a Korg Gadget killer.

If they rescue Cakewalk, it's going to be a brilliant move. But since I'm more into Live 10, a simpler interactive sequencer for faster result is way more challenging, with an abilty to save as an Ableton format. Something like the sucessor of the MC-909, with a full screen GUI and MegaMix function. Wanna use something like that as a standalone and VSTi, with a highlight of real-time creative performance, sequencing, sampling and tweaking while playing/recording. Something like Ableton Live from the MC's heritage.
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Station: Ableton Live 10 Suite, Obscurium, Push 2, Ultranova, MS-20m, Wavedrums

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I'd like to see the Super natural stuff in software

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crystalmsc wrote:
tedannemann wrote:I hope for a MC-303/505/307 replication for the cloud, this would be fun! :party:
When they add an interactive sequencer which is integrated and run their plugins perfectly, their cloud system will be more complete. They have a long experience in making sequencers and grooveboxes, it's going to be a Korg Gadget killer.

If they rescue Cakewalk, it's going to be a brilliant move. But since I'm more into Live 10, a simpler interactive sequencer for faster result is way more challenging, with an abilty to save as an Ableton format. Something like the sucessor of the MC-909, with a full screen GUI and MegaMix function. Wanna use something like that as a standalone and VSTi, with a highlight of real-time creative performance, sequencing, sampling and tweaking while playing/recording. Something like Ableton Live from the MC's heritage.
like an electribe2 ?
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carrieres wrote:like an electribe2 ?
No, that would be too easy for Roland. At least something like this, got to be revolutionary better than the IL Groove Machine 8)

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Station: Ableton Live 10 Suite, Obscurium, Push 2, Ultranova, MS-20m, Wavedrums

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Some fun things I have to deal with on the conversion front, and why attention to detail is important:

Take the Patch Common MFX block - this is the block of data that stores the MFX settings.

Roland implemented this with MFX Type (which FX type is selected), some various level/modulation stuff, and then the actual MFX parameters, which are a generic 1-32 (each encoded into four bytes). Those FX parameters are undocumented, they are simply the values set for the parameters of whatever MFX is selected.

So, take the EQ (the first FX, and used on the first preset patch, "128voicePno".

This has 11 parameters, so it will store those in the first 11 MFX parameters.
(The values are encoded the same way in the plugin file format, across four bytes for each value.)

In the XV5080 sysex file (tested by experimentation), the EQ parameters are stored in the following order in those 11 MFX values:

LF
LG
HF
HG
M1F
M1Q
M1G
M2F
M2Q
M2G
L

Not exactly an obvious order. So, perhaps unsurprisingly, in the plugin data format, they changed the order of these parameters to the more straightforward:

LF
LG
M1F
M1G
M1Q
M2F
M2G
M2Q
HF
HG
L

Ok, well, now we figured that out, when the EQ is chosen as MFX, we can switch the parameters around - fine.

Ok, wait - *how* many different FX algorithms are available in the MFX section? Oh.. *78* (90 in the XV-5080). Maybe this wasn't the only MFX that had it's parameter ordering changed?

How do we determine this?

Experimentation... we'll need to test several parameters for each FX type to see whether they are in the obvious place, or whether they might have been reordered, and if so, figure out the order in the source SYX and the plugin's new order, and again, handle each transposition accordingly.

Fun stuffs!

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beely so cool from you. Can't wait converter..

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