Studio One Version 5.0 Predictions and Requests

[SLiC]

After reading this thread, I just have to say again, don't expect too much. All the modular stuff and so on, no.. This gonna be more like 0.5 update. There is 72 new features / changes in total, and 28 of them is related to their plugins. Only 3 new things on workflow category and even they are like nothing. There is some useful stuff, but a lot of people will be disappointed. And no, I don't break any NDA, because I am not a beta tester and I have not sign anything. I just happen to know. You can believe it if you want or not. I don't care. Just hold your horses.

I wont, it already does everything I want it to and I dont want to pay for another update

[summer2000]

I hope they fix the scenes feature.

What's that? Scratch pads?

No...it's the tracks visibility feature that allows you to group your tracks by type such as "Drums", "Bass", etc and then recall them when you only want to view a specific group or "scene" as they call it. The problem is it sometimes messes things up when you add new tracks (even when you lock a scene). At times it hides tracks in folders if you had the folders closed when you clicked on another scene.

Oh, never used that particular feature. Contact support with a example they can replicate and I'm sure it's gonna get fixed.

I've Cubase Pro 10.5 as well. It's not even installed anymore

Presonus has been aware of this issue for quite some time now but for some reason has failed to address it.

[pushy]

I miss the clip launcher from Bitwig because I got used to compare my ideas with it, but it is ok, I'm trying to get used to few takes and be decisive faster

I could see them adding a clip launcher in Version 5.0, while utilizing the ATOM and later releasing a bigger version comparable to Push and Maschine and with Grid type functionality.

[rmacattack]

I miss the clip launcher from Bitwig because I got used to compare my ideas with it, but it is ok, I'm trying to get used to few takes and be decisive faster

I could see them adding a clip launcher in Version 5.0, while utilizing the ATOM and later releasing a bigger version comparable to Push and Maschine and with Grid type functionality.

Judging from a response from Presonus software general manager via the Atom group doesn't sound like something they will do right now.

[pushy]

Judging from a response from Presonus software general manager via the Atom group doesn't sound like something they will do right now.

Maybe not a full blown clip launcher for the time being, but how about a LOOPER that can be used as a "scratchpad" or a performance type of arrangement and composition tool?

[antic604]

Judging from a response from Presonus software general manager via the Atom group doesn't sound like something they will do right now.

Maybe not a full blown clip launcher for the time being, but how about a LOOPER that can be used as a "scratchpad" or a performance type of arrangement and composition tool?

Doesn't Impact XT already do that? You can have clips launch in sync with transport, they can loop and they can even time stretch.

[pushy]

Doesn't Impact XT already do that? You can have clips launch in sync with transport, they can loop and they can even time stretch.

I'm sure they could add some more features to make it act more sequencer like, not really sure, I don't use Impact very much. I guess we'll just have to wait for the clip launcher.

[jamcat]

So it's not the DAW, it's how you use it.

I know what you mean and I agree, but when taken literally I feel a more nuanced interpretation is necessary. From my experience the DAW influences and sometimes dictates the way I go around things, where I start and what is my focus. For example:

• project in S1 will be more melodic, more harmonic-driven due to chord track, more comprehensive MIDI editing,
• project in Reason will be more generative & random, "chaotic" and smaller in terms of track count, but richer in terms of what's happening on single track, due to all the crazy players, sequencers & effects available in RE format
• project in Bitwig would be more loop-based, as it would likely originate in Clip Launcher and in terms of sonic complexity be between the other two

How much of that is audible for others, that's a different thing because no matter the DAW my music sounds like "my music". But - for me - I can hear and recognise the difference and that's why I believe it's important to at least try other DAWs and not prejudice against them just because

For me, the song will sound the same regardless of what DAW I use because I go in with a song, and I am in control of the music I make. The DAW is just there for me to record it.

The difference is, in Studio One it gets done quickly.

Pro Tools would take a very long time because it takes about 10 menu steps to perform even the simplest action that would be a single drag&drop in Studio One.

In Cubase, it never got finished because Cubase would crash/crap out at a certain point.

[jamcat]

After reading this thread, I just have to say again, don't expect too much. All the modular stuff and so on, no.. This gonna be more like 0.5 update. There is 72 new features / changes in total, and 28 of them is related to their plugins. Only 3 new things on workflow category and even they are like nothing. There is some useful stuff, but a lot of people will be disappointed. And no, I don't break any NDA, because I am not a beta tester and I have not sign anything. I just happen to know. You can believe it if you want or not. I don't care. Just hold your horses.

This is probably the best news I've seen in this thread.

[EnGee]

Hmmmm! I'm very tempted now to buy Atom, but I still have Maschine mikro and I don't want to just collect controllers! It's pain in the a*** to sell 2nd hand hardware here in NZ. I end up either selling them very cheap or just put them away!

Oh, I also forgot completely about patterns! Isn't it like in FL Studio? I might be able to use them not only for drums but for everything else! I will try them today and see, maybe I can substitute the clip launcher workflow

[pushy]

What is AVB?
AVB (Audio Video Bridging) is an extension to the Ethernet standard designed to provide guaranteed quality of service, which simply means that audio samples will reach their destinations on time. AVB allows you to create a single network for audio, video, and other data like control information, using an AVB-compatible switch. This enables you to mix normal network data and audio network data on the same network, making it easier to create both simple and complex networks. Numerous audio companies have adopted it, and more companies are adding it all the time.

Audio-over-Ethernet has become increasingly attractive in Pro Audio applications especially for distribution in large-scale systems, such as those used in sporting venues, concert halls, and education institutions. The problem is that most solutions are proprietary, making these systems too expensive and too complex for most smaller applications. AVB is intended to change that by providing an open source collection of IEEE standards available for use by the pro audio market and its manufacturing community.

AVB networking offers several features that make it ideal for audio applications:

Long, light cable runs. A single lightweight CAT5e or CAT6 cable can be run up to 100 meters (328 feet). This makes it easy to have audio I/O located in different rooms (or even different venues in the same building) and run multichannel audio between them in real time.
Low, predictable latency. AVB provides latency of no longer than 2 ms sending an audio stream point-to-point over up to seven “hops” (trips through switches or other devices) on a 100 Mbps network. With higher speed networks, many AVB devices support lower latencies and additional hops. Please note that while PreSonus AVB products operate at faster Gigabit network speeds, they are currently fixed to 2 ms of latency.
Scalable, with high channel counts. AVB’s bandwidth is sufficient to carry hundreds of real-time channels using a single Ethernet cable. This offers the future possibility of expanding your system with additional devices that contain different kinds of audio I/O, multiple controllers, and other useful functions.
Guaranteed bandwidth. AVB networks intelligently manage the data traffic giving priority to AVB data. This means standard network traffic, such as Internet streaming, won’t prevent your audio from being delivered reliably and on time.

Integrated clock signal. In a digital audio system with multiple devices, having a master clock is critical to maintaining audio fidelity. The AVB specification defines such a clock to be accurately distributed to all devices in the system.

AVB networks behave very much like an analog audio system. Like an analog audio system, audio networks consist of sources, destinations, and intermediate processing along the way.

https://www.presonus.com/learn/technica ... Networking

I'm going to guess that Studio One Version 5.0 is going to bring a lot more Video Editing features.

[antic604]

So it's not the DAW, it's how you use it.

I know what you mean and I agree, but when taken literally I feel a more nuanced interpretation is necessary. From my experience the DAW influences and sometimes dictates the way I go around things, where I start and what is my focus. For example:

• project in S1 will be more melodic, more harmonic-driven due to chord track, more comprehensive MIDI editing,
• project in Reason will be more generative & random, "chaotic" and smaller in terms of track count, but richer in terms of what's happening on single track, due to all the crazy players, sequencers & effects available in RE format
• project in Bitwig would be more loop-based, as it would likely originate in Clip Launcher and in terms of sonic complexity be between the other two

How much of that is audible for others, that's a different thing because no matter the DAW my music sounds like "my music". But - for me - I can hear and recognise the difference and that's why I believe it's important to at least try other DAWs and not prejudice against them just because

For me, the song will sound the same regardless of what DAW I use because I go in with a song, and I am in control of the music I make. The DAW is just there for me to record it.

Yes, I get it - you're superior

But that's b/s. Even the fact that you can get the results faster with S1 means it will sound different, because you can put more stuff in the track, try more ideas, not get bored or used to certain sections as quickly and be more willing to adjust them, etc. As I said above, those might be small differences and likely imperceptible to others in the grand scheme of things, but they will be there at least for you.

[dlt123]

I'm really curious now if Presonus Software will still release Studio One 5 this month. If the current sale is really running until the end of May, I can't really see that them releasing it in May.

With all this clue speculation...

We'll know when we see either white smoke or black smoke when they decide to release the most humble V5.

[jamcat]

So it's not the DAW, it's how you use it.

I know what you mean and I agree, but when taken literally I feel a more nuanced interpretation is necessary. From my experience the DAW influences and sometimes dictates the way I go around things, where I start and what is my focus. For example:

• project in S1 will be more melodic, more harmonic-driven due to chord track, more comprehensive MIDI editing,
• project in Reason will be more generative & random, "chaotic" and smaller in terms of track count, but richer in terms of what's happening on single track, due to all the crazy players, sequencers & effects available in RE format
• project in Bitwig would be more loop-based, as it would likely originate in Clip Launcher and in terms of sonic complexity be between the other two

How much of that is audible for others, that's a different thing because no matter the DAW my music sounds like "my music". But - for me - I can hear and recognise the difference and that's why I believe it's important to at least try other DAWs and not prejudice against them just because

For me, the song will sound the same regardless of what DAW I use because I go in with a song, and I am in control of the music I make. The DAW is just there for me to record it.

Yes, I get it - you're superior

But that's b/s. Even the fact that you can get the results faster with S1 means it will sound different, because you can put more stuff in the track, try more ideas, not get bored or used to certain sections as quickly and be more willing to adjust them, etc. As I said above, those might be small differences and likely imperceptible to others in the grand scheme of things, but they will be there at least for you.

I did not mean to come across as superior. I apologize if I did.

This is just a matter of different ways of working. A lot of people like to create what you could call "accidental art." Start doing stuff, experiment, and see what happens. These types of musicians gravitate towards technology, and allow it to sit in the drivers seat. This type of musician particularly likes modulators, loopers, anything that you can switch on to automate a process and get unpredictable, surprising results. BitWig is the DAW for them.

Others, like myself, write music and have an pretty good idea of how we want the end product to sound. Sometimes we even succeed. We don't want surprising or unpredictable. We want to work quickly with precision in a traditional studio environment while we have the image of the music formed in our minds, before it is lost or corrupted.

Studio One has been THE DAW for people like me, as its focus has been very much on the sort of workflow I need. Trying to please the knob-twiddlers will ruin Studio One in the very area that sets it apart from all other DAWs. I really believe if you like BitWig, that is great, you should stick with it. But don't move into someone else's house and then start demanding they redecorate to look like the one you left.

[antic604]

But don't move into someone else's house and then start demanding they redecorate to look like the one you left.

Well, Studio One isn't your house anymore that it is mine. And I'm not demanding anything. I just hope they'll add some rudimentary modulators, just like I hope Bitwig adds Shared Copies, Transform Tool, on-timeline audio & MIDI clip stretching that S1 has

If you don't like a feature, you don't have to use it