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BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:26 am

That's hilarious. Nobody rated the Junos back in the day and now you're suggesting it sounds better than One Ping Only. Roland put a chorus in there in a desperate effort to try and make them sound as fat and lush as everyone else managed without chorus but even a really basic synth like a Korg Delta sounded way better. JX-3P was a better machine, with two oscillators per voice, for around the same money. That said, I did rate the JU06 more than the JP08 but the JU was only good for one thing and I have a dozen softsynths that were/are much better than it at that one thing, plus a hundred other things, so it didn't last long. Horrible things, the Junos.

excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:37 am

Funny enough a friend of mine had a Juno 106 back in the 80's. Kinda puzzled me, because its sounds seemed pretty limited. Good for basslines though. In no time my friend sold the Juno and he bought a Rhodes. Remember that one did not last long either

stillshaded · Post by **stillshaded** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:46 am

stillshaded · Post by **stillshaded** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:51 am

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lUWkhp ... sp=sharing

just some farting around with the most basic settings on the juno. To get that kind of subtlety on a softsynth i'd be spending 30 minutes programming microscopic modulations to make it sound more lively.

anomandaris1 · Post by **anomandaris1** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:20 am

stillshaded wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:51 am https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lUWkhp ... sp=sharing

just some farting around with the most basic settings on the juno. To get that kind of subtlety on a softsynth i'd be spending 30 minutes programming microscopic modulations to make it sound more lively.

Well, I can't hear any magic in this clip where it's exposed. In a full mix it will be even less unique.
Just add small amount of pitch modulation to any digital synth. These days many softsynths even come with such knob.
Seriously, better sell your Junos before Behringer makes all analog crap to become worthless (which may happen in a few years, considering they release like several new cheap synths a year).

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:27 am

I picked a patch in Rapid and tweaked to sound something similar to the above patch, stillshaded posted but it ended up being a finger workout instead... which is probably no bad thing given that I've spent lots of time editing and scripting a particular website as of late. A bit of live play practice...

https://soundcloud.com/scott-moncrieff- ... ctice-play

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:29 am

stillshaded wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:51 amjust some farting around with the most basic settings on the juno. To get that kind of subtlety on a softsynth i'd be spending 30 minutes programming microscopic modulations to make it sound more lively.

And then you'd put it in a mix and none of that subtlety would come through and you'd have wasted your time anyway. The easy way, though, is to use velocity to add those little subtleties so that, unless you are a robot, every time you hit a note it won't be quite the same as the previous one.
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Wow, that clip is not what I was expecting. There is no subtle anything in it. It's just a boring, generic, dime-a-dozen EP sound. I thought it might be some kind of subtle, evolving pad or a characterful lead but that is totally "meh".

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:47 am

Guess some people just don't hear subtlety. That doesn't make their subjective opinions objective, just ill-informed.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:09 am

.jon wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:47 am Guess some people just don't hear subtlety. That doesn't make their subjective opinions objective, just ill-informed.

First of all, subjective opinions are never objective. By definition, as opinions, they're subjective.

Person X saying "Hardware analog synths sound BETTER than" whatever, is never fact. It is opinion by definition.

Why is it people here have a problem being able to separate something that is fact from something that is opinion?

If you want to say "Looking at this graph, a hardware analog synth has a more accurate representation of a sawtooth wave than a software synth" then fine, that's fact. It cannot be disputed. But to say, "Therefor analog sounds better" is still just opinion.

I think some of us need to open up a dictionary in order to understand the difference between fact and opinion, objective and subjective. Because obviously some people don't get it.

excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:21 am

The weird thing is, since 4 decades synths are popular and most synth sounds are relatively known by now. It's hard to imagine a sound which will be the new hoover sound.

So it more comes down to mixing than ever before. It's more likely to suggest that a new genre, which will appeal to the masses, would have a combination of certain sounds/styles.

Makes this thread futile. Because software is the way to go in that aspect. Software will get better. Then they'll make hardware which is better. Not the other way around. Already happening for a while.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:06 pm

MOst synths sounds are relatively known by now ???
We're talking synths and synthesis methods here, not a simple recorder
I can patch a sound you probably never heard in your life

dellboy · Post by **dellboy** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:12 pm

wagtunes wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:09 am
I think some of us need to open up a dictionary in order to understand the difference between fact and opinion, objective and subjective. Because obviously some people don't get it.

So your opinion, which you are strongly asserting here as objective fact, is actually just your own subjective opinion.

Ok, got it , thanks.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:20 pm

dellboy wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:12 pm
wagtunes wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:09 am
I think some of us need to open up a dictionary in order to understand the difference between fact and opinion, objective and subjective. Because obviously some people don't get it.
So your opinion, which you are strongly asserting here as objective fact, is actually just your own subjective opinion.

Ok, got it , thanks.

The definitions of opinion and fact, subjective and objective as stated in the dictionary and accepted by the world are not my opinion but indeed fact.

Again, how hard is that to understand?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:23 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:06 pm MOst synths sounds are relatively known by now ???
We're talking synths and synthesis methods here, not a simple recorder
I can patch a sound you probably never heard in your life

every generation thinks their generation wrote the final chapter on anything

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:26 pm

vurt wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:23 pm
gentleclockdivider wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:06 pm MOst synths sounds are relatively known by now ???
We're talking synths and synthesis methods here, not a simple recorder
I can patch a sound you probably never heard in your life
every generation thinks their generation wrote the final chapter on anything

In that respect I have come to realize that we will never stop evolving and coming up with new things. I can't even imagine what sound generation will look like 200 years from now.

Have Modern VST Instruments Replaced Your Hardware Synths ?