Sonic Reality

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:25 am

The vowels? There's are just in there for experimental purposes. Some of them don't work with stretch though which is a bummer. But, that could change with a future update. Other voices in SS2 do work well stretch. I am not exactly sure why these don't. It's not so much that we chose not to do female vowels but actually more like we did the male vowels and thought it would be cool to throw that into Sonik Synth 2 as elements. So, they can be timbres to layer to make pads or choirs etc. Of course there are plenty of popular vowels (oohs, ahs etc.) of male and female vox in SS2 in the vocal textures section.

Jellysquid is a mix of Roger Manning from the band Jellyfish and a few other singers (probably Gene in that case who can sound like anyone). Squid instead of fish. But, no there's no vocals from me in there (not even chip munching or grunts

).

With vocal sounds the letters sometimes stand for the name of the person such as RM= Roger Manning, K= Karl or Katie, S sometimes= Sonia or Stewart etc.

TAF is Gene's nickname which stands for... I said it before (there's a whole story attached and it isn't flattering... it's flatulating!

)

Some of the abbreviations mean funny stuff that no one knows. Like HPEM which stands for something I will never say on KVR (or I could lose my stand up reputation for seriousness and never being silly

)

Sometimes I forget what the abbreviation was like NTFL. N might stand for Norm who was one of the singers but TFL I don't know. The fruity loop?

Sometimes it's better not to know! Some patch names have hidden meaning as well. But, most of them are a play on words or descriptive of the sound.

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:30 pm

You SS2 users are killing me!
I must now get this as well.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:01 pm

Worse things could happen, Mighty! :-D

Meffy

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:01 pm

Squids wrote:(so, after it is 20 discs for the price of 2 Akai libraries anyway? No matter how you slice it you DO get a lot for your money with this one.)

Ummmm Squids, $200 for an Akai disc has been the industry 'standard' for what? 10 years? ($100 for an audio disc as well.) Times are changing.

Devon

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:28 pm

Meffy wrote:Worse things could happen, Mighty!

Meffy

Very true, but dangit, I try and tell myself I am good for a while, but no.....

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:51 pm

Dave, do some of these SS sounds overlap?
I see on sonic reality the listing for the synths section stuff like A.I. Pad, and enlighten, and mystery pad etc....don't we already have those names on SS1?
Or is the listings all of both ss1 and ss2 combined?
I was trying to find out specifically what is new.
Thanks

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:54 pm

IIRC, Squids originally estimated that about a half? A third? of the SS1 sounds would get into SS2, albeit tweaked. If that's how it broke down in the actual product, around half to two thirds of the SS1 sounds would have no counterparts in SS2.

I haven't noticed much overlap -- SS2 is so immense that it's hard to catch the dups! Would be interesting to hear from Squids hisse'f on this.

Meffy

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:03 pm

Well I also ask because when I buy it, I would like to be able to have one Sonic Reality sub folder under the main folder for the instruments where ST2XL is looking. I have now I think ST2, then the expansion roms, then SS1 or something like that. Since ST2 doesn't scroll with the mouse wheel, I would hate to have ANOTHER folder labelled SS2 and then all it's subfolders.
Make sense?

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:05 pm

Makes sense but I just did two separate directories anyway. :-) If it turns out the overlap's big enough to save some disk space, I might do the merge thing.

Meffy

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:06 pm

Frunobulax · Post by **Frunobulax** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:29 pm

I think Squids said a while back that the selection of SS1 sounds that made it into SS2 were around 1/7th of the total sounds in SS2. That seems about right from what I've seen.

And yeah Mighty, if there's anyway you can swing the upgrade to SS2 before the price goes up, I'd jump on it, because I doubt that you would regret the purchase. Even though a fraction of the sounds are the same, it's really a whole new instrument compared to SS1 because you have so much more material to work with. With SS1, I felt there was a limited amount of customization that could be done, and consequently, after programming a few combis, I kind of quit programming it. But with SS2 you have oodles (hey, that rhymes with "poodles"!) of raw material to work with in creating all sorts of sounds. I keep feeling like I am programming my very own workstation (which I guess I am doing). Now I know how Squids, Eric Persing, and other sound designers feel when they program workstations/sample-based synths out of raw sounds.

It has a lot of great presets and combis out of the box, but the real power of SS2 is the ability to roll your own to a much greater degree than was possible with SS1, and doing so is easy, and the results sound great.

pricer · Post by **pricer** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:30 pm

Currently I have merged my SS1 folder into ST2XL, but when SS2 is delivered (any day now, folks) I think I will reorganize the proceedings to have a Sonic Reality folder, as Mighty_Hero suggests. Though more for creative reasons than organisational, as i find that each library blends well within itself.

So for example if I want a balanced string quartet I would use four ST2XL instruments, though if I feel I want to bring out a certain instrument, say violin, I'll use the SR violin. Considering how much SR and IK work together it is notable how much each library has it's own 'sound'. The IK strings sound have more continuity and are more unified - yet, the SR have far more character and more direct.

I guess this is how many of the pro's operate, mixing up their libraries - VSL, Garritan, Siedlaczak, Dan Dean, SAM. HQO etc (hmm, that Northern Sound Source forum is having a bad effect on me

). Still, getting back on topic, the best way of looking at SS1 now IMO is a library of elements (as good as the SS1 sounds are). By incorporating that into SS2, and treating it as an 11 gig monster, it'll create even more fun in creating new combi patches.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:03 pm

pricer wrote:I guess this is how many of the pro's operate, mixing up their libraries - VSL, Garritan, Siedlaczak, Dan Dean, SAM. HQO etc (hmm, that Northern Sound Source forum is having a bad effect on me ).

I couldn't imagine not mixing libraries. That way you get the best of what you want specifically. VSL, Garritan, Dan Dean, SAM, and more are in my collection. It's a great way to go.

Devon

bnmoore · Post by **bnmoore** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:08 pm

I started with Sonic Synth a while back and upgraded to ST1L for the 16 channel/muli-out engine. I have a Sonic Synth folder. I retired the ST1L library after upgrading to ST2XL but kept the same sample root folder. My subfolders are Sonic Synth, SS2Instruments, and ST Instruments. When I launch ST2 I only have three main headers in the browser. Scroll wheel support would be nice but I don't know if cross-platform compatibility could be maintained. Either camp Mac/PC would probably whinge like babies if the other one had features they didn't.

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:10 pm

I want a scroll wheel in the worst way. I loathe manually scrolling, especially since sometimes you've had to many, and you keep missing the down arrow.

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