Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[sqigls]

get out of your head

Oh, at least one burst of the fantasy bubble has been broken. Got you!! You wouldn't post something like that if you didn't find yourself a preset cheater hahaha priceless!!!

WHAT are you f**king talking about?
I'm a preset cheater?
This is what i mean, get out of your head, you're obviously a total headcase.
If i take two totally different sounds that I HAVE CREATED, and blend them with the genetics tool, then I am a "preset cheater"? f**k KVR really brings em out of the woodworks doesn't it?

[sacer]

Genetics is very powerful. This makes the legend my favourite minimoog again. Ok model72 is a good addition.
I have build lots of presets and can now generate new presets out of them, there are really interesting results expanding my library

[electro]

Once you have too many softsynths from GAS you start to get redundant patches. Maybe dedicate certain patch types to certain softsynths.

[Teksonik]

Maybe people don't want to hit Genetics hours per day to find a lot of good patches.

Maybe people would rather pay for skilfully crafted patches and not just some that are created by random chance by someone without sound design skills. Maybe they don't want to pay you to do something they could do themselves.

I'm sure the Dune 3 complexity with the patches wouldn't be such an issue, how is that an issue, it's just a sound and if it sounds fine then it doesn't matter if some of the layers aren't doing much or am I missing something-

Yes... the point.

that's why I was curious to what people think.

And I told you what I think. If you ask for opinions you're going to get some you don't like.

As far as it being immoral, using ones own patches,

I didn't say it was immoral to use your own patches, just those created by others but if you can make your own patches then why would you need Genetics?

But, I don't think it's up to you to decide what's best for everyone.

I'm not deciding what's best for everyone just giving you my opinion based on hundreds of hours working with DUNE. If you can't handle opinions then don't ask for them.

[twal]

Maybe people don't want to hit Genetics hours per day to find a lot of good patches.

Maybe people would rather pay for skilfully crafted patches and not just some that are created by random chance by someone without sound design skills. Maybe they don't want to pay you to do something they could do themselves.

I'm sure the Dune 3 complexity with the patches wouldn't be such an issue, how is that an issue, it's just a sound and if it sounds fine then it doesn't matter if some of the layers aren't doing much or am I missing something-

Yes... the point.

that's why I was curious to what people think.

And I told you what I think. If you ask for opinions you're going to get some you don't like.

As far as it being immoral, using ones own patches,

I didn't say it was immoral to use your own patches, just those created by others but if you can make your own patches then why would you need Genetics?

But, I don't think it's up to you to decide what's best for everyone.

I'm not deciding what's best for everyone just giving you my opinion based on hundreds of hours working with DUNE. If you can't handle opinions then don't ask for them.

You really don't seem to understand other people's point of view. OF COURSE they probably want to use "skillfully crafted" presets by other users, am I replacing the market by selling a product that uses Genetics? Do you want to dig a hole all day because you can do it, when you can pay someone else to do it if you don't want to do it yourself?. I said maybe they would want to buy Genetics patches if someone is willing to spend the time making their own and then using Genetics on them. They would also get the original patches too. Seems pretty obvious. Not hard to understand, and that would take experimentation to see if it would actually sell to enough people. You say no. But, not enough evidence. If I found a few people that would want it, that could possibly be worth it.

I said that I am curious about opinions, I am ok with yours, that's what I wanted. I never said I didn't want your opinion. It sucks, and hasn't added much of anything- basically only scrutiny. I was done with it after your first reply but you want to try to make more of a point which doesn't add anything.

Your "point" about Dune 3, you mentioned something obvious about the layers. But, you don't know if it's that bad of a hindrance, you're just being nit-picky as expected.

You can use Genetics to mix and match patches. It's an added bonus. That's why it is made, people don't need it. It doesn't have to replace patch making. You said it was immoral about using Genetics, and selling it. "...Patreon for that when they could just hit the Genetics button themselves that makes no sense and again it brings up some moral issues." I already addressed this before. What are these moral issues? Actually, don't asnwer it, I don't want your opinions anymore.

Yes, you are saying that people should make their own patches instead of using Genetics,
and good for you for having that opinion, which is clearly an ignorant one because I made the point that a lot of producers don't want to DO THAT. It's very ignorant to make sweeping statements about what people SHOULD be doing, which if someone was dumb enough to believe you, they would suffer your closed mindedness.

[Teksonik]

You really don't seem to understand other people's point of view.

I understand that neither you or I know "other people's point of view". Sure you might find a few people who think paying you to hit the genetics button is worthwhile. There are always people who have more dollars than sense.

Again if you can make your own patches in the first place you don't need the Genetics function. It's like putting training wheels on a tricycle. Sounds like you're just trying to make money by being lazy. Learn sound design, make professional sounding patches, and then sell them. A lot of people have done that and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.

I never said I didn't want your opinion. It sucks, and hasn't added much of anything- basically only scrutiny. I was done with it after your first reply but you want to try to make more of a point which doesn't add anything..

So your idea can't stand up to scrutiny? Then why bring it up? By "it sucks" and "not adding anything" you mean not agreeing with what you say. Sorry that's not how the internet works.

Your "point" about Dune 3, you mentioned something obvious about the layers. But, you don't know if it's that bad of a hindrance, you're just being nit-picky as expected.

I said, that trying to back engineer a Genetics patch may be misleading because there may be unused layers, etc. So if you're going to try to learn sound design by back engineering a Genetics patch keep that caution in mind. I say this as someone who has by matter of obligation thoroughly tested the Genetics function.

You said it was immoral about using Genetics, and selling it. "...Patreon for that when they could just hit the Genetics button themselves that makes no sense and again it brings up some moral issues." I already addressed this before. What are these moral issues?

For the third time the only moral issue is that..and pay attention this time....if you use patches created by other people when making a Genetics patch and try to sell that patch. There are no moral issues if you make your own patches but again if you can do that you don't need Genetics. I can not possibly make it any clearer than that........

good for you for having that opinion, which is clearly an ignorant one because I made the point that a lot of producers don't want to DO THAT.

You made that claim about producers when it's highly probable that many "producers" make their own patches because they don't want to sound like everyone else. Unless we Poll a significant number of producers we'll never know for sure one way or the other.

You're making a lot of assumptions and that's not a solid basis to form a business plan.

It's very ignorant to make sweeping statements about what people SHOULD be doing, which if someone was dumb enough to believe you, they would suffer your closed mindedness.

I never said anyone SHOULD be doing anything. I'm giving my advice and this is an open forum so I have as much right to do that as you do to propose an idea and then ask what other people think of that idea. It's your mind that is closed to any kind of logical advice regarding your idea.

If you can't take a dissenting opinion then internet forums are probably not for you....

[twal]

You really don't seem to understand other people's point of view.

I understand that neither you or I know "other people's point of view". Sure you might find a few people who think paying you to hit the genetics button is worthwhile. There are always people who have more dollars than sense.

Again if you can make your own patches in the first place you don't need the Genetics function. It's like putting training wheels on a tricycle. Sounds like you're just trying to make money by being lazy. Learn sound design, make professional sounding patches, and then sell them. A lot of people have done that and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.

I never said I didn't want your opinion. It sucks, and hasn't added much of anything- basically only scrutiny. I was done with it after your first reply but you want to try to make more of a point which doesn't add anything..

So your idea can't stand up to scrutiny? Then why bring it up? By "it sucks" and "not adding anything" you mean not agreeing with what you say. Sorry that's not how the internet works.

Your "point" about Dune 3, you mentioned something obvious about the layers. But, you don't know if it's that bad of a hindrance, you're just being nit-picky as expected.

I said, that trying to back engineer a Genetics patch may be misleading because there may be unused layers, etc. So if you're going to try to learn sound design by back engineering a Genetics patch keep that caution in mind. I say this as someone who has by matter of obligation thoroughly tested the Genetics function.

You said it was immoral about using Genetics, and selling it. "...Patreon for that when they could just hit the Genetics button themselves that makes no sense and again it brings up some moral issues." I already addressed this before. What are these moral issues?

For the third time the only moral issue is that..and pay attention this time....if you use patches created by other people when making a Genetics patch and try to sell that patch. There are no moral issues if you make your own patches but again if you can do that you don't need Genetics. I can not possibly make it any clearer than that........

good for you for having that opinion, which is clearly an ignorant one because I made the point that a lot of producers don't want to DO THAT.

You made that claim about producers when it's highly probable that many "producers" make their own patches because they don't want to sound like everyone else. Unless we Poll a significant number of producers we'll never know for sure one way or the other.

You're making a lot of assumptions and that's not a solid basis to form a business plan.

It's very ignorant to make sweeping statements about what people SHOULD be doing, which if someone was dumb enough to believe you, they would suffer your closed mindedness.

I never said anyone SHOULD be doing anything. I'm giving my advice and this is an open forum so I have as much right to do that as you do to propose an idea and then ask what other people think of that idea. It's your mind that is closed to any kind of logical advice regarding your idea.

If you can't take a dissenting opinion then internet forums are probably not for you....

I'm not going to address any of this endless BS; I'll say this, and don't tell me to listen to you clearly. Don't talk to people like that in real life neither. You said that it can be immoral using genetics with your own patches as well, but I don't care anymore. Yes you are saying you think you know what is best for people. Don't tell me what to do. And don't tell anyone else what to do. People in this forum know how you are. Please don't chat with me anymore because I find your opinions not worth listening to and very snobbish, goodbye.

[Nigel Maus]

Chill peeps

[Lbdunequest]

Go make some music, spend time with a family, ride a bike, take a walk, play a video game, watch a movie, have sex. There are tons of other things to do then to argue about things about nothing with strangers on a public forum.

[Teksonik]

Don't talk to people like that in real life neither.

Oh trust me I'm much more aggressive in real life because I can't get banned from real life and I can back up what I say.

You said that it can be immoral using genetics with your own patches as well

No, I did not.

But go on try your idea and see how it works out for you. Good luck.

Go have sex.

Are you offering? My dance card is pretty full but I'll see if I can work you in next month.

[HOTF]

Sorry for dumb question but never used this vst ... what is genetics ?

[carrieres]

Sorry for dumb question but never used this vst ... what is genetics ?

With the Genetics function, new sounds can be created from 2-3 already existing patches.
In doing so, properties from these patches are randomly thrown together

[CoolColJ]

https://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/sequent ... the-legend

Sequential Trigon-6 followed by the Legend.
3 oscillators and 12db filter with feedback

They sound so similar
I guess that means the Trigon-6 is basically a polyphonic Minimoog, and good modelling

[Lbdunequest]

Triagon is kinda moogish because it has a ladder filter

[CoolColJ]

Triagon is kinda moogish because it has a ladder filter

Not just the ladder filter, but the oscillators also mesh and mix together like a Minimoog, similar waveforms with reverse sawtooth on the third VCO, and the VCA and envelopes thump and snap like a Minimoog as well.

The only major difference is that you can turn all the waveforms on at the same time, and you have PWM.