If you're developing a cross platform app like Bitwig the very worst thing to do is develop on one platform and then hack (and it will be a hack ...) the other OS versions in later.
The way to do it properly is design for cross platform from the start. It saves lots of headaches, and helps reduce the number of bugs in the final version.
Peace,
Andy.
The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread
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- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
... space is the place ...
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
Well, I guess that also explains why it's taking so long.ZenPunkHippy wrote:The way to do it properly is design for cross platform from the start. It saves lots of headaches, and helps reduce the number of bugs in the final version.
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- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
Nah, it's just a huge app with lots of features. Good things take time ...3ee wrote:Well, I guess that also explains why it's taking so long.ZenPunkHippy wrote:The way to do it properly is design for cross platform from the start. It saves lots of headaches, and helps reduce the number of bugs in the final version.
... space is the place ...
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- KVRAF
- 26972 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
3ee wrote:Well, I guess that also explains why it's taking so long.ZenPunkHippy wrote:The way to do it properly is design for cross platform from the start. It saves lots of headaches, and helps reduce the number of bugs in the final version.
Doesn't seem to me like it is taking a long time... It is a complex piece of software
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
OK, I think got it! The reason that it feels like it's taking so long it's because they announced "beta" long ago.
People are usually used to beta test "almost finished" software.
They had started the beta when the program was in the middle of development maybe?!
People are usually used to beta test "almost finished" software.
They had started the beta when the program was in the middle of development maybe?!
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- KVRAF
- 26972 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Seems that way to me... Perhaps they were overly excited and announced the beta too early... or were not certain if they would get enough testers and then a thousand people applied... Also, some software is released, but it is really beta level and is finished afterwards. Bitwig is an ambitious project with the modular underpinnings and already starting with a solid set of included devices.3ee wrote:OK, I think got it! The reason that it feels like it's taking so long it's because they announced "beta" long ago.
People are usually used to beta test "almost finished" software.
They had started the beta when the program was in the middle of development maybe?!
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- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
I can only speculate like everyone else, but I think the website was made live a bit too early (2009?).
People noticed, got excited (fair enough, it looks awesome!), demanded answers.
Snowballed from there ...
People noticed, got excited (fair enough, it looks awesome!), demanded answers.
Snowballed from there ...
... space is the place ...
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- KVRAF
- 2562 posts since 1 Oct, 2013
I think the beta stuff is at least a big part of it. It's "interesting" that you hear all this talk about how they are taking so long, but nobody actually knows how long they have been working on it, or how long a project like this should take.
I think another thing is that people are sort of primed to think vapourware when they hear about a piece of software that has been "coming soon" for a while. That's sort of a notorious thing now and people don't want to be the ones that "fell for it." Regardless of any real facts. Maybe it's kind of like people who post "fake" on youtube videos that aren't actually fake just because it looks fishy to them.
And also there's the fact that its supposed to be Live + so much more + linux support, etc. It looks idealistic so it's easy to imagine that they are in over their heads.
I will say that Bitwig could have been more clear, what with the "coming soon" stuff. But ultimately I think the fuss is up to peoples unfounded expectations. I guess I'm preaching to the choir there though.
The internet is bridging divides all the time. Perhaps if Bitwig is released and everything is fine, this whole deal will make software consumers a bit more understanding.
I think another thing is that people are sort of primed to think vapourware when they hear about a piece of software that has been "coming soon" for a while. That's sort of a notorious thing now and people don't want to be the ones that "fell for it." Regardless of any real facts. Maybe it's kind of like people who post "fake" on youtube videos that aren't actually fake just because it looks fishy to them.
And also there's the fact that its supposed to be Live + so much more + linux support, etc. It looks idealistic so it's easy to imagine that they are in over their heads.
I will say that Bitwig could have been more clear, what with the "coming soon" stuff. But ultimately I think the fuss is up to peoples unfounded expectations. I guess I'm preaching to the choir there though.
The internet is bridging divides all the time. Perhaps if Bitwig is released and everything is fine, this whole deal will make software consumers a bit more understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Exactly. It became a running joke. They asked for testers WAY back then also with that newsletter that I never got anything from.ZenPunkHippy wrote:I can only speculate like everyone else, but I think the website was made live a bit too early (2009?).
People noticed, got excited (fair enough, it looks awesome!), demanded answers.
Snowballed from there ...
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 25 Sep, 2013
Steinberg didn't get the memo.ZenPunkHippy wrote:If you're developing a cross platform app like Bitwig the very worst thing to do is develop on one platform and then hack (and it will be a hack ...) the other OS versions in later.
The way to do it properly is design for cross platform from the start. It saves lots of headaches, and helps reduce the number of bugs in the final version.
Peace,
Andy.
Asio guard on OS X. Lol.
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- KVRian
- 1392 posts since 28 May, 2008 from Saint Paul, MN
Bitwig is not real. Bitwig never was real. There is nothing to see here...move along 
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- KVRAF
- 6542 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin
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