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bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:01 pm

wm wrote: why is a steep 12/24/36/48db.oct shelf no good? thought that was basically the same as a filter, except you are not limited to a filters bandwidth. with SXs Q (about 12/18db/oct) and a removal of sub at about 150hz, it looks like it can cut off down to -80db or so @5hz, similar thing with waves ren i find too. havent noticed any weird phasing like people often mention in regard to filters either, although a few things make me suspicious.

You seem to confuse what a shelving filter is. A shelving filter in posihfopit or nyquist EQ is just that, a shelf. It usually lowers a signal a maximum of 18 or 24dB depending on the eq. A filter can lower the volume much more than that. What you actually described here is a Lowcut (highpass) filter, not a shelf.

What you described is EXACTLY what one needs which is why nyquist eq nor posihfopit can do it (AFAIK neither allows a lowcut or highcut filter, just shelves).

- bManic

martian · Post by **martian** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:21 pm

bmanic wrote:
wm wrote: why is a steep 12/24/36/48db.oct shelf no good? thought that was basically the same as a filter, except you are not limited to a filters bandwidth. with SXs Q (about 12/18db/oct) and a removal of sub at about 150hz, it looks like it can cut off down to -80db or so @5hz, similar thing with waves ren i find too. havent noticed any weird phasing like people often mention in regard to filters either, although a few things make me suspicious.
You seem to confuse what a shelving filter is. A shelving filter in posihfopit or nyquist EQ is just that, a shelf. It usually lowers a signal a maximum of 18 or 24dB depending on the eq. A filter can lower the volume much more than that. What you actually described here is a Lowcut (highpass) filter, not a shelf.

What you described is EXACTLY what one needs which is why nyquist eq nor posihfopit can do it (AFAIK neither allows a lowcut or highcut filter, just shelves).

- bManic

ahh, shit sorry i got confused. i know what a shelf is, but i havent used those eqs you (and everyone) mentions, so didnt realise they had no high/low cut.

come on brain work goddamnit..

Martin E · Post by **Martin E** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:46 pm

Well gentlemen of the jury my votes got to:

1 Crysonic - Spectralive - Vitaliser

2 Kjaerhus - GUP-1 - Compressor

3 Audio da onca - Posihfopit - EQ

4 Voxengo - Elephant - Limiter

In this order please, thank you

scrubs · Post by **scrubs** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:59 pm

oooh just checked out that crysonic vitaliser, im liking it!

Thankyou

;-) · Post by **;-)** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:41 am

stefancrs wrote:NyquistEQ + Endorphin + Blockfish + BuzzMaxi3
Awesome mastering plugs. Beats both Ozone and T-Racks imo.

Well, may be your opinion, but I dont't think so. Not Ozone 3 but T-Racks with ease. Because T-Racks is simply (most awful sounding digital) crap.

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;-) · Post by **;-)** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:45 am

Spe3D wrote:
000 wrote:
All world raves about Voxengo plugins, but I cannot see anything with those. Especially don't like how they look and what they do.

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Hello

Looks are not the sound it masters

I am always also a "visual" men. If I see a "company" designing such crappy plugin outfits like those, I cannot trust any of their other "qualities".

Probably the internal "native assembler" code is then designed in the same manner...

By the way I find those tools also highly unintuitive and amateurish in general. Even what I hear coming out of those.

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coldmachine · Post by **coldmachine** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:49 am

The Tools plugs by Sony and T.C. are in a class of thier own,nothing else is even close, I earn my living with them every day. I've found the best native solution to be the Wave Arts suite.

bengeorge · Post by **bengeorge** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:32 pm

stardust from arguru is nice, though it does have its own color.

Christian Budde · Post by **Christian Budde** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:14 pm

bmanic wrote:
Paulie Phonick wrote: BTW, while we're at mastering plugs - what (freeware) plugin would you recommend for filtering out sub 30Hz and above 19kHz ranges? Currently I'm using (obviously) Nyquist and/or Posihfopit but is there anything better suited?
Well, neither is suitable to filter out frequencies as they both just provide shelves, not filters. It's an excellent question though! I usually use the sonalksis EQ to filter out frequencies as I like it's sound but sometimes I just use Voxengo Elephant in the end to filter out anything below 20hz with it's DC filters.

- bManic

I don't agree, posihfopit has highpass, lowpass, notch, etc., Whatelse do you need to filter out frequencies? (To achieve 48dB/Oct all you need to do is add several 6dB filters. The latest version can have 32 filters simultanously...)

Sorry for the advertisment,

Christian

kabb · Post by **kabb** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:01 pm

Does anyone rate the one that comes with TC Powercore? The X3?

pitchdrifter · Post by **pitchdrifter** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:04 pm

icky. if anything go for the MD3 (quite a price on that, though)

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:27 pm

Kjaerhus Golden effects bundle contains some lovely plugs. The Compressor and EQ are superb (better imho than the Waves equivalents when I tested them side by side).

I also use the Kjaerhus Classic Master Limiter more than I should probably admit... but I find it a very useful cure-all tool in so many situations where I want to simply maximise stuff. Even, for example, on a single track where I simply want to ensure it doesn't clip (set it to zero and it stops clipping). Lazy - and any true engineer would probably be appalled - I know, but useful and quick!

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