Whats the diff between eXT and Audio Mulch?

[Lagrange]

Hhahaha Also cant forget Plogue Bidule (complicated) where you can actually create plugins from it..

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[Lagrange]

Whoa just checking out the bidule's rewire section this thing is sihk

[duncanparsons]

I just ran into an oldie but goodie modular system that often goes under the radar... We cant forget the japanese console system..

http://www.console.jp/eng/index.html

This one really gets no props but is extremly usefull and is comparable to both AM & XT.

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I use Console alot. I like the way that it simply provides a modular base without the extras.. I use it mostly for plugin testing - it's easy to setup test configurations very quickly, and handles my badly behaved code very elegantly!

DSP

[Bunnyboy]

Whoa!! Just tried the metasurface in Audiomulch!! wow!!

[jens]

I have used both, and like them, but for what I do, they don't bring much to the table. Some of the AM generators are nice tho'..

DSP

just out of curiosity: what are you missing in eXT?

(I know you are using Podium)

[duncanparsons]

its's not what is missing, I guess, more that it has more than I need. As it stands, Console provides the quick switable routing I like for testing several plugins/scenarios in one go. I realise I could do it in eXT, but since I paid for console 18 months ago, I might as well use what I've bought.

Also Console recovers OK from dodgy code much better than any other host I have met. I've found this useful when tarcking down bugs, since the host doesn't go poof

DSP

[jens]

its's not what is missing, I guess, more that it has more than I need. As it stands, Console provides the quick switable routing I like for testing several plugins/scenarios in one go. I realise I could do it in eXT, but since I paid for console 18 months ago, I might as well use what I've bought.

Also Console recovers OK from dodgy code much better than any other host I have met. I've found this useful when tarcking down bugs, since the host doesn't go poof

DSP

yes, but you wrote:

'for what I do they don't bring much to the table' - well, I really like Podium (it's a great sequencer) but I feel the need to point out that most of what you can do in Podium you can do in eXT as well...

so my question still stands: what specifically are you missing?

This qestion offers a great opportunity for both applications to get rid of wrong assumptions and prejudices and to mention what's great about them - That's why I asked...

[duncanparsons]

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I need to go home..

But! I stand by what I said - for what I do (Music writing and VST dev) they don't bring more to the table than I already have. I use Podium and NTrack to write, and Console in development. I like to dabble with other apps here and there, but I'm generally staying with what I'm registered for [my wallet has limits!].

The next thing that might attract some currency from me is SynthMaker, but given that I'm generally happy with Delphi and hard code, this may never happen. Were I to go with SM, I would use it for road testing algorithms quickly before incorporating them into a delphi plug..

That's all!

Now I really must get home!

DSP

[opia]

[robenestobenz]

DuncanP: It's interesting you should mention handling slightly dodgy plugins gracefully actually, bad handling of this is something I've noticed in a few hosts.

EnergyXT is particularly troublesome for me in this regard - generally, if a plugin starts sucking 100% CPU in eXT I have about 3 seconds to quickly turn it off before it locks up irretrievably. If I ever have to end the standalone.exe process from the task manager it often appears to shut down but then lingers in my task list until my next reboot, telling me access is denied when I try to end it.

Ableton Live isn't too graceful in this regard either, in my experience.

[jens]

oh..



err...

I need to go home..

But! I stand by what I said - for what I do (Music writing and VST dev) they don't bring more to the table than I already have. I use Podium and NTrack to write, and Console in development. I like to dabble with other apps here and there, but I'm generally staying with what I'm registered for [my wallet has limits!].

The next thing that might attract some currency from me is SynthMaker, but given that I'm generally happy with Delphi and hard code, this may never happen. Were I to go with SM, I would use it for road testing algorithms quickly before incorporating them into a delphi plug..

That's all!

Now I really must get home!

DSP

well you didn't really answer my question...

I still think you (as well as others) might have a wrong concept of eXT and I'd like to help getting rid of that...

just in case it's not totally clear:

eXT is (amongst other things) a highly advanced conventional sequencer just as Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Tracktion and of course Podium and Ntrack!

So while you might say it doesn't fit your way of working too good, saying 'it doesn't bring much to the table' seems to hint to a misconception on your side. I could be wrong of course... (but how can I know if cyou do not asnwer my question... )

[haydxn]

er, i think he's answered the question fairly enough when he said...

its's not what is missing, I guess, more that it has more than I need. As it stands, Console provides the quick switable routing I like for testing several plugins/scenarios in one go. I realise I could do it in eXT, but since I paid for console 18 months ago, I might as well use what I've bought.

[whyterabbyt]

So while you might say it doesn't fit your way of working too good, saying 'it doesn't bring much to the table' seems to hint to a misconception on your side.

I dont think there is a misconception on his side, since he phrased entirely in terms of his own requirements...

but for what I do, they don't bring much to the table

[jens]

I could be wrong and that's why I asked but it still seems to hint to him having the idea that eXT is merely a modular-routing enviroment...

'for what I do' - well, what he does is actually kind of the same thing I do: sequencing conventional compositions/arrangements in conventional sequencers - I really do not write this to be a smart-ass - I'm just trying to point out that you can do this as well very good in eXT (besides the modular-routing stuff) but I know that there are still a lot of people who either don't know this or do not have not much of a clue how to achieve it.

[shamann]

I could be wrong and that's why I asked but it still seems to hint to him having the idea that eXT is merely a modular-routing enviroment...

'for what I do' - well, what he does is actually kind of the same thing I do: sequencing conventional compositions/arrangements in conventional sequencers - I really do not write this to be a smart-ass - I'm just trying to point out that you can do this as well very good in eXT (besides the modular-routing stuff) but I know that there are still a lot of people who either don't know this or do not have not much of a clue how to achieve it.

I think the underlying meaning was that DSP would only use eXT for its modular properties, but has that covered with Console already. And certainly the only thing remotely similar between eXT and Mulch is that they are both modular VST hosts, otherwise they share very little in common.

And truthfully, if all you need is a VST plugin that'll give you modular routing in your sequencer, then Bidule, Console, or energyXT are mostly all the same, with the exceptions that Console hosts DX and Bidule has ReWire.

If I'm a diehard Podium user, energyXT's sequencer will be mostly useless for me, since I already have a sequencer I like. So my only interest in it would be its non-sequencing functions. It probably warrants noting here that for such a user, energyXT's sampling capabilities might be worth looking into, as they might bring some extra function to the table.

Hope that clears things up.