Guitar amp tremolo wanted

[guitama]

If I don't like it I don't listen
Didn't The Who use Sound City for a while? Pete Townshend didn't use many effects in the 60's- listen to the guitar tones on 'Live at Leeds' or Isle of Wight nice single pickup valve sound, nice.
Actually I use EnergyXT. I tried feeding noise from midibounce to the controls of a tremolo vst, quite a good effect

[rogerperrin]

You know, a dev could create a series of effects like BLUE CHEESE tremolo, ORANGE JUICER compressor, PURPLE HAZE modulation, RED ANTS distortion, YELLOW MOON ....?
Blue Cheese cracks me up, still.

[Hink]

You know, a dev could create a series of effects like BLUE CHEESE tremolo, ORANGE JUICER compressor, PURPLE HAZE modulation, RED ANTS distortion, YELLOW MOON ....?
Blue Cheese cracks me up, still.

the funniest part is I love blue cheese...

[bobby yarrow]

oh I'm sure you can find many songs that used it well...but face it, it's a one time effect. Certainly not like chorus, or reverb that is part of an artists sound...

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but that's crazy talk. Tremolo is a huge part of almost every rock genre, except maybe over-bite southern-fried rock. I can't think of a band I like that's never used tremolo.

Chorus, on the other hand, is almost impossible to use without sounding stupid. There are exceptions.

[Hovmod]

oh I'm sure you can find many songs that used it well...but face it, it's a one time effect. Certainly not like chorus, or reverb that is part of an artists sound...

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but that's crazy talk. Tremolo is a huge part of almost every rock genre, except maybe over-bite southern-fried rock. I can't think of a band I like that's never used tremolo.

Chorus, on the other hand, is almost impossible to use without sounding stupid. There are exceptions.

Both of you are wrong.

[Hink]

oh I'm sure you can find many songs that used it well...but face it, it's a one time effect. Certainly not like chorus, or reverb that is part of an artists sound...

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but that's crazy talk. Tremolo is a huge part of almost every rock genre, except maybe over-bite southern-fried rock. I can't think of a band I like that's never used tremolo.

Chorus, on the other hand, is almost impossible to use without sounding stupid. There are exceptions.

I assure you I am far from crazy, and to say that it's a huge part of every rock genre is a joke...I have never in all my years of retail sold a tremolo pedal,most amps dropped them, for something that's so huge you would think I would sold more and every guitar player would have one. But in over 3 1/2 decades the fact is thread is the first time I ever saw anyone say they actually use tremolo...but to say it's a huge part of every rock genre isn't close...unless of course we are talking about something different.

Maybe for you chorus is an effect that is impossible to not sound stupid, Like I said I hardly use any effects period and any effect over used is cheesy.
(oh but that's right you didn't read the whole thread, perhaps the crazy talk is not reading through so as to take things in context )

But some engineers actually know how to use effects and dynamic processing subtly like it's intended.

Huge part of every rock genre...yeah it's right up there with the oboe...

Take out the word huge and I agree it's been used in every genre, but not to an extreme that it could actually be called huge...

[CapnLockheed]

All this thread proves is that tremolo, like chorus
or any other effect or even the old tube vs solid
state argument, is purely subjective and a matter
of taste. And, as we know, there's no accounting
for taste or a lack thereof! That being said,
I LIKE CHEESE!! And yes some makers did
mistakingly label their tremolos as vibratos.
One however did not. Magnatone amps had true
pitch shifting vibrato and nothing else sounds
quite like it. As for Electro-Harmonix there's
a reason vintage Big Muffs sell for hundreds
TONE! Maybe it was a joke to you back in the
day, but that did'nt stop Kurt Cobain from
using an EH Small Clone on many of their hits
It was a big part of his signature sound. Today
EH's Mike Matthews continues to innovate and
produce some of the finest tone machines available.
The EH Q-Tron is hands down the best envelope
filter/follower on the market....totally out
classes Mu-Tron and Maxxon Auto filter re-issues.
Their Micro-Synth and Polyphonic Octave Generators
have no competition...they are totally unique and
mind blowing.....please pass the cheese!!

Cheers......CL

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Capnlockhead, I agree with most of what you say...in fact it is all subjective, however I myself do not like fuzz at all and am glad that I have other choices for distorion, which my choice is overdrive. My distortion is created by my manipulation of the controls on my amp and my distortion comes from my amp and it's characteristics. I don't like the idea of using a box to create that one then amplifying it. But that's just me...I like the crispyness of overdrive as opposed to fuzz.

As for Electro-Harmonix there's
a reason vintage Big Muffs sell for hundreds
TONE!

though you may have a point with that I would much rather it read "As for Electro-Harmonix there's
a reason vintage Big Muffs are still popular"

As the reason they sell for hundreds as you put it because they can over charge based on industry hype and you're paying for a name. But EH isn't alone, why do you think I'll never own Les Paul? There is no feature that makes a Les Paul worth the price, in fact again all you're doing is buying the name and bragging rights.

EH wasn't chosen (which btw today's EH is in name only and has nothing to do with the original) because of how good it was, it was chosen by name recognition, by the fact that it was available and it would sell as many people have fond memories of the days when they used that.

Me I find when I go back in time like that my first reation is "what the hell was I thinking" and if my talents conitue to evolve as they should someday I will say the same about my tone now.

BTW I like cheese to. But too much cheese will bind you up...

[guitama]

What solid state vs valve? I figured that ragged valve tremolo was what I heard and it sounded good and the effect was not what was being served up with digital.
If someone actually got a proper amplitude modulation that didn't do the same damn thing every time they might even make some money same with a lot of other repetitive events. If you hear the same thing every time it just tires out the ears.
BTW tremolo has a pitch effect in your ears providing it's loud enough.

[bobby yarrow]

I assure you I am far from crazy, and to say that it's a huge part of every rock genre is a joke...

(snip)

Take out the word huge and I agree it's been used in every genre, but not to an extreme that it could actually be called huge...

Sorry, my post was much more of a wink than it reads.

3 things:

1. The word 'huge' is withdrawn.

2. I (almost) always have some kind of chorus effect on a send while mixing, and tremolo's pretty useless like that. Modulated delay, not so short that it's flange but not so long that it's 'delay,' is wonderous in a mix. And chorus is a big part of jazz, some cali lite rock, a lot of metal (pre-distortion), some 80's sounds, and nirvana et seq., to name a few. So, it's not all cheesey.

3. I really can hardly think of any rock band I like that hasn't used tremolo. 'Huge' may not be right, but from a guitarist end I've got to think that it's more common than chorus. A bunch of guys, including Johnny Marr and VU, have made it a signature part of their sound.

Mainly, I love tremolo. Fender tremolo, ac30 tremolo, even stompbox tremolo. Mmm m m m

[CapnLockheed]

Capnlockhead, I agree with most of what you say...in fact it is all subjective, however I myself do not like fuzz at all and am glad that I have other choices for distorion, which my choice is overdrive. My distortion is created by my manipulation of the controls on my amp and my distortion comes from my amp and it's characteristics. I don't like the idea of using a box to create that one then amplifying it. But that's just me...I like the crispyness of overdrive as opposed to fuzz

I often like nothing better than plugging straight
into a good tube amp.....but I also like a good
fuzzbox and the Big Muff is good but by no means
the best....Nearly all the great Classic Rock
guitarists used stompboxes. Personally, I simply
prefer not to limit myself...the more colors on my
pallette the better.

As the reason they sell for hundreds as you put it because they can over charge based on industry hype and you're paying for a name. But EH isn't alone, why do you think I'll never own Les Paul? There is no feature that makes a Les Paul worth the price, in fact again all you're doing is buying the name and bragging rights.

I totally agree with you here. I would'nt pay
hundreds for a vintage Big Muff and I certainly
would'nt pay thousands for a Gibson Paul. I buy
gear, new and old, based on bang for the buck.
I own several late seventies Japanese guitars
that completely outperform Gibsons made during
that era and I bought them for a small fraction
of the price.

EH wasn't chosen (which btw today's EH is in name only and has nothing to do with the original) because of how good it was, it was chosen by name recognition, by the fact that it was available and it would sell as many people have fond memories of the days when they used that..

I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking
about here. Electro-Harmonix and it's parent company
New Sensor are owned and operated by Mike Matthews
the same guy that ran it back in the day. I know
Mike personally and can attest to the fact that
to this day he still does the lion's share of
designing,(The Q-Tron was a joint project between
him and Mu-Tron dev Mike Biegel). Some will argue
that original vintage EH boxes sound better than
the new re-issues but again, that's almost purely
subjective. Back in the day components such as
resistors and capacitors were'nt made to as tight
specs as they are today....also over time as these
components age, their values tend to drift a bit.
Line up ten vintage stompboxes,(or ten vintage
amps for that matter), of the same make and model
and all ten will sound different. Perhaps only
one or two will have that elusive Holy Grail
type tone that vintage lovers seek. So to say
players buy vintage gear based on only hype
and fond memories is a bit over simplified.

Me I find when I go back in time like that my first reation is "what the hell was I thinking" and if my talents conitue to evolve as they should someday I will say the same about my tone now.

BTW I like cheese to. But too much cheese will bind you up...

Hrmn....yeah, often I'll cringe when listening
to old tracks, but sometimes I find inspiration
in them as well. And yes...constipation is no
good!!

Cheers.....CL