From the tone of your rant it sounds like you're an intellectual in need of some more advanced stimulation.
Maybe it's time to explore other areas of intellectual provess if music sounds (most likely temporarely) uninspiring and dumb.
Read a really good book. I suggest Blood Music by Gregory Benford.
[rant] Music is boring
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1955 posts since 5 Sep, 2003 from Denmark
Hi KingstonKingston wrote:From the tone of your rant it sounds like you're an intellectual in need of some more advanced intellectual stimulation.
Maybe it's time to explore other areas of intellectual provess if music sounds (most likely temporarely) uninspiring and dumb.
Read a really good book. I suggest Blood Music by Gregory Benford.
Thanks for your concern. I don't know if I'm an intellectual, but I don't need more stimuli in that area
It's interesting that people are misunderstanding or misinterpreting the purpose of the rant. I was ranting. I wasn't looking for help or psychologically advise - though it's rather cute of those who offers it. If anything I was looking for a good discussion or some interesting opinions.
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Nevertheless it's a *REALLY* good book.
(in case anyone happens to be looking for one)
(in case anyone happens to be looking for one)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1955 posts since 5 Sep, 2003 from Denmark
I'll check it out! Thanks for the tip.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
I almost gave up music for a while.
I was studying the likes of Webern and Boulez and (of course) Bartok, and it just became hopeless and alienating. Not because of the music, but because....well I don't know why. All I could do for quite some time was read history and philosophy. I had nothing to say about them, as I never felt really qualified, but that is where my mind was.
In any case, the thing that got me back into it was (don't laugh) the explosion of heavy pop music (Nirvana, Janes Addiction, etc.) that came out in the early nineties. I remember being really interested in how such (relatively) simple music could be so engaging to me.
I have never had a down period since.
I was studying the likes of Webern and Boulez and (of course) Bartok, and it just became hopeless and alienating. Not because of the music, but because....well I don't know why. All I could do for quite some time was read history and philosophy. I had nothing to say about them, as I never felt really qualified, but that is where my mind was.
In any case, the thing that got me back into it was (don't laugh) the explosion of heavy pop music (Nirvana, Janes Addiction, etc.) that came out in the early nineties. I remember being really interested in how such (relatively) simple music could be so engaging to me.
I have never had a down period since.
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- KVRist
- 67 posts since 8 Apr, 2005
I feel the same way... Here's what I can suggest about it:
1.Jam with other good musicians... and yes jazz cigarettes are proven to help you escape the overexploited patterns and get to some original ideas (if you've got the skills for it of course)
2. Don't listen to music for a while. I go camping in the mountains and enjoy the birdsongs.
3. Look for music of a genre you've never heard... could be world music or movie soundtracks.
4. Just make the music you like
1.Jam with other good musicians... and yes jazz cigarettes are proven to help you escape the overexploited patterns and get to some original ideas (if you've got the skills for it of course)
2. Don't listen to music for a while. I go camping in the mountains and enjoy the birdsongs.
3. Look for music of a genre you've never heard... could be world music or movie soundtracks.
4. Just make the music you like
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- KVRAF
- 8088 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
respirator, we all have stupid rules we impose om ourselfs...I can understand getting bored with today's music...perhaps it's time to go another route...yah know the "rules"...."I'd never listen to that", "I hate them/him/her" or worse peer pressure "they suck what's wrong with you?"...everytime I break one of the silly rules I impose on myself I discover something new and exciting...whether it be playing, writing, listening to music, or nothing to do with music at all...most of our silly rules have been in place for many years....in fact some might say we made some of those rules when we were complete idiots...so break a rule 
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 6496 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from Frederick, MD
Okay, I'll try to get this back to a discussion like you originally intended . . .
. . . I must say that I agree in large part. And I do believe it mostly has to do with age. What always excited me most about music was the high of discovery. Finding totally new musical forms (or at least forms new to me). That's why I almost never listen to other people's music nowadays. There's so little substantive advancement in music that every form of music I hear relates too heavily on known and well-worn forms.
Hell, I'm guilty of it myself, quite intentionally. But at least while I'm working on a new song, I'm discovering something new. After it's done . . . I often feel no connection to the work any longer.
I've gone through all the phases: prog rock, psychedelic, hard rock, berlin school electronica, new age, classical, medievel, gregorian chant, world music from just about every corner of the globe (Tibet, Java, Bali, India, Africa, Japan and China mostly) . . . art rock, punk, new wave, synth pop, techno in all its guises, ambient, minimalism, post modern rock, musique concrete, academic electronic music, classical synth, swing, big band, bop, funk . . . about the only things I've skipped were country, folk, bluegrass, opera and rap/hip-hop and the various Latin forms 'cause they never appealed to me.
It seems to me the music world is ripe for some totally new form . . . but I can't imagine what it would be without it being some new varien of all the old forms.
But, for god's sake . . . SOMEBODY entertain me, damn it!!!!!
I've heard you make similar assertions before, especially about the use of drum kits as The model for percussion parts . . .respirator wrote:I don’t really like music anymore. Maybe I’m getting old and blasé? Maybe it’s just a phase? Almost any new music seem like old news to me.
. . . I must say that I agree in large part. And I do believe it mostly has to do with age. What always excited me most about music was the high of discovery. Finding totally new musical forms (or at least forms new to me). That's why I almost never listen to other people's music nowadays. There's so little substantive advancement in music that every form of music I hear relates too heavily on known and well-worn forms.
Hell, I'm guilty of it myself, quite intentionally. But at least while I'm working on a new song, I'm discovering something new. After it's done . . . I often feel no connection to the work any longer.
I've gone through all the phases: prog rock, psychedelic, hard rock, berlin school electronica, new age, classical, medievel, gregorian chant, world music from just about every corner of the globe (Tibet, Java, Bali, India, Africa, Japan and China mostly) . . . art rock, punk, new wave, synth pop, techno in all its guises, ambient, minimalism, post modern rock, musique concrete, academic electronic music, classical synth, swing, big band, bop, funk . . . about the only things I've skipped were country, folk, bluegrass, opera and rap/hip-hop and the various Latin forms 'cause they never appealed to me.
Same with Stockhousen, Cage and a bunch of the other out there thinkers.respirator wrote:Harry Parch...although his life and philosophy are extremely interesting and inspirational, I must confess that his actual music isn’t that good. The same goes for a lot of the alternative crowd.
It seems to me the music world is ripe for some totally new form . . . but I can't imagine what it would be without it being some new varien of all the old forms.
But, for god's sake . . . SOMEBODY entertain me, damn it!!!!!
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- KVRAF
- 5782 posts since 10 Mar, 2003 from Music Shed #8
Hmmm...I'm not really bothered about 'finding new forms' anymore, because...there aren't any, really. 
That doesn't matter. Someone can take a well-worn form and reinvigorate it, just by exploiting it in a captivating way. It's the spirit, not the style. Having said which... 
That doesn't matter. Someone can take a well-worn form and reinvigorate it, just by exploiting it in a captivating way. It's the spirit, not the style. Having said which... -
- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
exactly. it's time to explore the depth rather than the width
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- KVRAF
- 3158 posts since 2 Jul, 2005 from Stuck in the closet
Couldn't agree more. Maybe a few people here should work together to try to come up with something new.emdot_ambient wrote:It seems to me the music world is ripe for some totally new form . . .
Mizutaphile.
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
History suggests that an American black ghetto might be a good place to look.Ildon wrote:Couldn't agree more. Maybe a few people here should work together to try to come up with something new.emdot_ambient wrote:It seems to me the music world is ripe for some totally new form . . .
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