Logic 5x pc to Cubase sx3?

[Sascha Franck]

Who says I'm using quantization to make things sound robotic? Exactly the opposite is the case... and Logic excels at that (I'd even say proveably).

[kritikon]

But that's the whole point of quantisation - putting exact timing onto untimed phrases. Even if it's only iterative quantising (or however you call it) you're still applying a robot percentage. Unless of course you simply enter everything into a grid in straight 16th and then use quantise to give it more life.



Errr...you don't do you? I thought you were a music teacher or something

[Sascha Franck]

But that's the whole point of quantisation - putting exact timing onto untimed phrases.

No, it's not. You can also adapt the timing of a source part to another one. And (obviously) that source part can have *any* timing.

The same goes for slightly shuffling, say, a recycled beat (over an unshuffled metrum), which, in its original form, was 100% quantized.

I do these things all the time.

Even if it's only iterative quantising (or however you call it) you're still applying a robot percentage. Unless of course you simply enter everything into a grid in straight 16th and then use quantise to give it more life.

I never enter everyhing in grid-style, but I'm not the best key player either (I'm a guitarist), so, admittedly, I do have to quantize a lot to correct my lousy playing as well. But that's beyond the point, this can be done easily in each and every host. It's the advanced functions (as described) that make Logic excel.

And btw, there's a "logical editor" in Logic as well. It's called transformer.
Cubases Logical Edit is the better option though, mainly because it's got some "extract to selected track" functionality, which is something I seriously wish Logics transformer had.

[bduffy]

Kritikon: so that was the method with old Cubase; just save a new version whenever you make a crucial edit. Funny thing is, I do the same thing (15 versions of a song) even with unlimited undo. By the time I got to Cubase, there just weren't any programs that had one level of undo (even Photoshop has History), I couldn't bear it and it helped keep me from getting into a powerful program.

And just for another perspective: I don't own a keyboard controller at home, and I don't get to use the one at work very often, so about 95% of my MIDI is done note-by-note in the Piano Roll, so I quantize by default and loosen up my playing by various techniques later on. Which kind of sucks because I don't get to take advantage of a lot of the advanced quantizing features. And, of course, compositions can get rigid quickly. But I do prefer it for programming drums as you can get right in there and draw in grace notes, etc; something I'd have to do anyway with a controller.

So I guess for me it wouldn't make too much difference, either host. I seem to recall Logic's Piano Roll not being light-years apart from Cubase - it was all that "Object-can-be-any-object" stuff that really confused me. Loved the synths + FX, though.

Oh and CWPA had that feature where you could analyze audio and convert the peaks (with definable thresholds) to MIDI notes. Great feature. I swear you can do this with Cubase somehow...but I haven't tried it in ages.

Good discussion, guys - kudos to you for keeping such sensitive subjects civil!