You really can't lose at the price point you'll be purchasing at. My advice would be to wait for 6 to be released, play with the demo for an evening or better yet, get someone who has 6 to call you and walk you through some basic stuff right on the phone. In 15 minutes, with the right guidance, all the "oh I get it" things will come into focus much more quickly. I'd be willing to walk you through some things once I've had a little bit of time to absorb the new features.Muff Wiggler wrote:hey, just saw this thread...
interesting as I am also thinking of buying FLStudio... and also thinking I shouldn't buy it. anyone want to help?
Thinking about buying FL 6
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- KVRAF
- 4218 posts since 10 Oct, 2002 from Nashville, TN USA
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
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- KVRAF
- 4218 posts since 10 Oct, 2002 from Nashville, TN USA
It's when you render out an instrument to free up CPU. So the analogy is that you are "freezing" the track as in locking it down with the great white north. You then reimport the track as a wave and in some hosts, delete the instrument that generated the track. In other hosts, freezing automatically shuts the instrument off and frees up CPU that way.Chase wrote:Call me silly, but what does "Freeze" mean?
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
only a texan...Chase wrote:Call me silly, but what does "Freeze" mean?
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- KVRian
- 1336 posts since 21 Dec, 2004
In Live 5, Freezing a track leaves the VST in place and can be frozen after parameter automation is setup. I have taken a VST that is a big CPU hog taking 85% of my CPU for several notes being held and sounds crackled while I record the sequence, then freeze the track and it jumps to 3% CPU usage and crystal clear audio coming through. No reimporting necessary. Simple right click, choose unfreeze and back to playing with the parameters, re-recording or recording a second phrase. Live has frozen clip track ability, so you can record a bunch of different midi passages and freeze the track, yet still switch between your clips while the track is frozen. Try running 5 instances of a CPU hog synth in FL and you won't be able to do it. In Live it is possible to get multiple instances in several tracks and many different patterns in each track containing an instance of the plugin and after freezing, still be at less than 10% CPU use. Hopefully some future version of FL will have this. That would be awesome. You can do this in Cubase and Nuendo as well. Also Sonar. Just need FL to get with the program. 
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
Oh so it's just bouncing, aka resampling. I've just never recognized that term for it (though itmakes more sense than others). Yea, I do that A LOT (multiple times each track). Not for CPU reasons but for mangling reasons..Shane Sanders wrote:It's when you render out an instrument to free up CPU. So the analogy is that you are "freezing" the track as in locking it down with the great white north. You then reimport the track as a wave and in some hosts, delete the instrument that generated the track. In other hosts, freezing automatically shuts the instrument off and frees up CPU that way.Chase wrote:Call me silly, but what does "Freeze" mean?
So a freeze function just renders to wav and does an extra step or two for lazy people? Or do I have the wrong idea here?
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
Yea render to wave has been a function of FL since v1...Laraka wrote:You can render a VSTi track to WAV format in FL5. Unless I'm missing something, that's what "Freeze" does...
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- KVRAF
- 4222 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Tucson Arizona USA
1° C in Tucson last night.arke wrote:Hink wrote:only a texan...Chase wrote:Call me silly, but what does "Freeze" mean?
applies to southern californians too (I lived there for 5 years)
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
yea during nights it's dropping below freezing here (I.E, no swimming)
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- KVRian
- 1336 posts since 21 Dec, 2004
It's not quite the same as rendering to wav. if you bounce a track, what can happen to the loop you are creating is losing the seamlessness of the tail effects. i have been bouncing audio in applications for a few years now and it's great for freeing up cpu, but the clip may have some delay in it and the tail of the clip might get cut abruptly as it cycles to the beginning of the loop. A frozen track won't do this. It's as seamless as if you had the VST fully enabled. It's hard to describe unless you've used it or experienced a slightly different sound in the looping of wav's to the sound of you playing it live. maybe I'm the only one that got bugged by that or bouncing, but it seems to be a popular feature in Sonar, Live, Cubase, and Nuendo. I make mostly loop based music where I make my own loops or resample and change other loops. Maybe someone else can describe it better than me. If it was just resampling or bouncing audio, All the hosts have had this function for some time and I don't think Freeze features would be praised the way they are. 
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
If you want it to loop and include the delay, you can:Wormhelmet wrote:It's not quite the same as rendering to wav. if you bounce a track, what can happen to the loop you are creating is losing the seamlessness of the tail effects. i have been bouncing audio in applications for a few years now and it's great for freeing up cpu, but the clip may have some delay in it and the tail of the clip might get cut abruptly as it cycles to the beginning of the loop. A frozen track won't do this. It's as seamless as if you had the VST fully enabled. It's hard to describe unless you've used it or experienced a slightly different sound in the looping of wav's to the sound of you playing it live. maybe I'm the only one that got bugged by that or bouncing, but it seems to be a popular feature in Sonar, Live, Cubase, and Nuendo. I make mostly loop based music where I make my own loops or resample and change other loops. Maybe someone else can describe it better than me. If it was just resampling or bouncing audio, All the hosts have had this function for some time and I don't think Freeze features would be praised the way they are.
1) Play it twice in the bounce and use the second half via cut in an audio editor
2) Bounce the dry source and send it into the effects you had on the original source (though this might not work if oyu have complicated synth envelopes, a la long releases)