KVR Audio

HighEndWare · Post by **HighEndWare** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:16 pm

Chuppa chup. Look forward to hearing some demo tunes.

mark77 · Post by **mark77** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:06 pm

This looks very exciting indeed. Lovely user interface too. At the moment I'm just after something that give the new access virus synths a run for their money... know what i mean??? We dont need more vintage type synths.. we need something modern sounding, something that sounds as good and better than the current hardware out there. Something that sounds up to date, and fresh, with nice smooth filters... so yeah i'm hoping this synth will be fresh and exciting sounding.. :0 cant wait to hear it, now i'm just hoping it will sound as good as it looks!

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:12 pm

Well...in it's favour is that it's from Kjaerhus, so we know that quality is a main principle of all of their plugins.

I have to say, that from what has been shown...I think Octopus got there first by a whisker, and has alot more modulation options. Just look at the type and number of envelopes and LFOs that Octopus has got.

But then again - I can imagine the filters on the Kjaerhus one should be pretty tasty (only two that self oscillate though?).

I dunno - I'll have to see. I wouldn't buy any additive synth unless I have full and flexible control of the harmonics - e.g. can we modulate the harmonics via envelope over time or by LFO? Or are they static, and only the filters etc modulate?

Unfortunately I see quite a few potential reasons for me to not buy this thing. I'll have to demo it of course - my doubts may be blown away on hearing it in action (I hope). But the feature set doesn't immediately impress me...

I don't have an issue with the price though - seems reasonable for what it offers.

Torben · Post by **Torben** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:21 pm

Cabinfever & kritikon,

It not a synth made to score on the feature-count. It is a synth to score on good sound and usability

Torben

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:35 pm

Torben wrote:Cabinfever & kritikon,

It not a synth made to score on the feature-count. It is a synth to score on good sound and usability

Torben

I can easily bet it's usability will beat Absynth then. How about the sound sculpting possibilities ?

phattslagg · Post by **phattslagg** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:40 pm

kritikon wrote: But then again - I can imagine the filters on the Kjaerhus one should be pretty tasty (only two that self oscillate though?).

Two should be more than enough, surely? It's not like self-oscillation is the be all and end all, is it?

Character is by far the most important factor in filter quality.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:22 pm

Two should be more than enough, surely? It's not like self-oscillation is the be all and end all, is it?

Character is by far the most important factor in filter quality.

And how a filter self-oscillates is usually one of the main ways I decide whether I like a filter or not. It's not the only way, but important. It's what differentiates something like a shitty Roland filter from a Korg filter for example. Exactly one of the main reasons why the MS series are known as character synths, as opposed to many Roland synths which are just fluff in comparison.

It's reasonably likely that if a filter won't self-oscillate, that it is likely to be reasonable bland (not necessarily, but often in my experience).

Anyway - as I said already, I would imagine filters are possibly one of the stronger aspects that I'd be likely to rate in a Kjaerhus synth - I don't know yet though. It just seems odd that the filters have been limited in that way.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:27 pm

Cabinfever wrote:Only 2 LFOs ? Is that just two LFOs for the whole thing ? !

Will this be a big, evolving, sountrack/ambient-capable synth, or have I got your intention wrong with this ?

I made 128 presets, under pro-sounds, for this synth. The 2 LFO's are in no way a limitation cabinfever...there are loopable envelopes for pitch, filter, amplitude, and even for each lfo themselves! I've even gotten the thing to do a sequence or two with proper programming of the envelopes.

With that said, of course it's capable of big evolving soundtrack/ambient stuff.

And someone asked if you could "Morph" with a timeline. Torben said no, but you actually can...now, you can't do it for EACH oscillator really...but you can put different "harmonies", which can each be a different waveform, across the time line and it will morph between them......that timeline is also Loopable, so you can create complex rythmic patterns and interesting PWM-like sounds with this synth.

Now, the rest of this post is directed at people complaining about the price. This synth is a gorgeous piece of art. The gui is one of the most Beautiful i've ever laid eyes on.....The midi and controller implementation is more detailed than most synths out there. There is so much detail payed to playing sounds with life and expression. The filters are TOP notch, very silky and smooth.....And creamy when needed....Programming it is a breeze....especially if you know something about additive synthesis, but that is not at all necessary to start coming up with some smooth patches. The additive engine uses 256 partials, which greatly improves the realism of sounds. It's a solid, high quality piece of work, that doesn't quite compare to anything out there......198 dollars is more than fitting for this synth. It's a professional product, and set to a more than reasonable price for how great it sounds. I'm a bit tired of everybody wanting something for nothing around here. I've had enough of this community harrassing developers about their prices just because they don't fit everyones wallet. When a developer creates something of such quality, they are more than allowed to set any price they'd like. If you want quality, most times you pay for it....and their is nothing wrong about that.

enough said about that.......back to the synth.....it's a beautiful thing....I've gotten extremely expressive orchestral instrumetns to heavy analog sounding electronic insturments and everything in-between. Very nice synth here from a very capable developer....keep your eyes on this.

peace

frank.

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:39 pm

looks very promising, and Torben has got all my confidence. it might be the first synth i puchase after something like a 18 months break. (yet i want Minimonsta, too

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Muff Wiggler · Post by **Muff Wiggler** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:19 pm

congrats Torben, this looks just awesome, and I have a LOT of faith in your ability to provide top-notch sound quality, so I'm sure it'll sound simply incredible.

Congrats again - you should be proud! - and I can't wait to try it out

best regards,

Mike

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:22 pm

Nice..Well done, Torben. Who did the GUI work on this one?

kybernaut · Post by **kybernaut** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:29 pm

Looks good,

I wonder if the "analog modeled filters" are actually circuit modeled. If so, did Kjaerhuis include external expertise for this part or did they program it themselves...??

vista · Post by **vista** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:34 pm

@fax

you have a pm

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:36 pm

Cabinfever wrote:I can easily bet it's usability will beat Absynth then. How about the sound sculpting possibilities ?

You never give up, do you?

Can't you just compliment the guy's work without using it to take yet _another_ pot-shot at NI?

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:44 pm

I'm here actively looking for a replacement for Absynth. What are you here for ? Thread-crapping ?

Kjaerhus Synth coming up