VitaminD wrote:what is the Novation Total Integration synth?cptgone wrote: OTOH, I don't want to buy a synth. Except maybe a synth like the Novation Total Integration, if it does what it says.
I meant Access Virus TI...how many are using sequencers and pluings today?
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- KVRAF
- 9064 posts since 1 Aug, 2003
I meant Access Virus TI...-
- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
very much mostly software only here too (certainly as far as sequencing goes) ... still one or two bits of hardware ive acquired that although they dont get too much use i wouldnt want to lose ...
redsound elevata (real knobs to twiddle !!! )
yamaha su10 (currently getting a new lease of life as a little MIDI drum trigger)
yamaha vss-200 (circuit-bent for lofi glitchy sampling goodness)
alesis airsynth (its too fun)
tiny little theremin (not working quite right but thats its charm)
various drums (djembe / tabla / bodhran / goatskin framedrum) and percussion bits (hitting stuff will NEVER go out of fashion)
slainte
rob
redsound elevata (real knobs to twiddle !!! )
yamaha su10 (currently getting a new lease of life as a little MIDI drum trigger)
yamaha vss-200 (circuit-bent for lofi glitchy sampling goodness)
alesis airsynth (its too fun)
tiny little theremin (not working quite right but thats its charm)
various drums (djembe / tabla / bodhran / goatskin framedrum) and percussion bits (hitting stuff will NEVER go out of fashion)
slainte
rob-
- Banned
- 5089 posts since 12 Jun, 2001 from Wusik Dot Com
I moved to software years go, even before the VSTi event. My old Dream-Chip card (Game Teather 64) plus Cakewalk ProAudio. Did all my drums directly on the AUDIO tracks. (check my music page for songs like IntoTheHit) Later got AXS, the old Analogic synth, I think one of the first DOS Virtual Analogs, check out "EletrifyYourS" song, all done with the AXS program, that is FREE today... 
Today I use Sonar 5 and Wusikstation, that's all.
Wk
Today I use Sonar 5 and Wusikstation, that's all.
Wk
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- KVRAF
- 3385 posts since 21 May, 2004 from Deep in the Heartlessness of Texas
To loop back to Jorgen's original question, I try to think of ways to find some source for even a semi-meaningful number. I can't really think of one.
Some poll that some NAMM participant did, somewhere?
I know that most magazines have to publish their sales figures once a year, and am not home, so I can't check, but I wonder what the numbers are for FM, CM, SOS, Music Tech. Other publications?
Do any of the major vendors, such as Cakewalk, Steinberg, or Apple (or even Magix!) publish sales figures? I know that crack downloads are prevalent, but surmise that most people who are actually making music will buy a fairly mainstream sequencer sooner or later.
How about numbers from sound card manufacturers? It's real hard to do anything even semi-serious with the on-board chip or default SoundBlaster (yeah, I know some people still use them...)
And once you get outside the Western world, I haven't a clue...
This is a really interesting question, because there's no doubt that there's been a major explosion since about 2001. But how big?
Take care,
GreyLion
Some poll that some NAMM participant did, somewhere?
I know that most magazines have to publish their sales figures once a year, and am not home, so I can't check, but I wonder what the numbers are for FM, CM, SOS, Music Tech. Other publications?
Do any of the major vendors, such as Cakewalk, Steinberg, or Apple (or even Magix!) publish sales figures? I know that crack downloads are prevalent, but surmise that most people who are actually making music will buy a fairly mainstream sequencer sooner or later.
How about numbers from sound card manufacturers? It's real hard to do anything even semi-serious with the on-board chip or default SoundBlaster (yeah, I know some people still use them...)
And once you get outside the Western world, I haven't a clue...
This is a really interesting question, because there's no doubt that there's been a major explosion since about 2001. But how big?
Take care,
GreyLion
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- KVRAF
- 3385 posts since 21 May, 2004 from Deep in the Heartlessness of Texas
Added note -- If I was a dev, some meaningful numbers, with market-segment breakdowns, would be REAL important to my business plan.
Like Jorgen, who should be able to sell a copy of EXT to everybody, if he can just figure out how to reach them.
Surely somebody has done some research.
Like Jorgen, who should be able to sell a copy of EXT to everybody, if he can just figure out how to reach them.
Surely somebody has done some research.
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- KVRAF
- 2744 posts since 5 Dec, 2003 from Harlan's World
Guitar, guitar rig 1, keystation 88 pro midi controller, eurorack mixer, monitors, pc. The rest is software.
My Soundcloud Too many pieces of music finish far too long after the end. - Stravinsky
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- KVRAF
- 1980 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Back in the UK
Still have some of my hardware:Supernova II, Microwave II, AN1X and RM1X, but it hasn't been switched on in anger for a couple of years, during which time it has been 100% software for me.
Some of my music Soundcloud Goseba
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 10251 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
pHz wrote:KVR has nearly 80000 members now (most of whom must AT LEAST be curious about computer-based audio production) ... extrapolate from there ???
slainterob
they're all fake accounts like margaret thatcher..
that or there are a lot of kids in school who want to get krunk or trance it up to impress their friends? I knew of several people who expressed how 'cool' they were by bringing their guitar or even bringing a rack effect to class..
now people can 'make beatz' in the comfort of their home.. and that makes them big people..
its not my excuse, its just a guess at your 80k figure..
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
I'm all software (have borrowed a mic now though).
When I was doing vocals we used an Atari ST with cubase to sequence & it was all outboard synths & samplers, with bits of live bass & guitar mebbe.
All the vocals & final mixes/masters were done at a much more 'pro' studio.
The guy whose studio i'd utilise for mastering etc. if I ever actually finished anything is mostly virtual, apart form some nice mics, nice tube comps & stuff like tc finalizer that shit gets bounced through.
When I was doing vocals we used an Atari ST with cubase to sequence & it was all outboard synths & samplers, with bits of live bass & guitar mebbe.
All the vocals & final mixes/masters were done at a much more 'pro' studio.
The guy whose studio i'd utilise for mastering etc. if I ever actually finished anything is mostly virtual, apart form some nice mics, nice tube comps & stuff like tc finalizer that shit gets bounced through.
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
TBH ... i kind of agree ... thats what the question marks are for ...
... but allowing for half those accounts to be dormant / bogus / pointless i GUESS that worldwide we might be looking at a few (3 or 4 ??? ) hundred thousand involved in some form of computer-based audio ???
(whether or not that figure might include all the crackheads is another debate i guess though)
slainte rob
... but allowing for half those accounts to be dormant / bogus / pointless i GUESS that worldwide we might be looking at a few (3 or 4 ??? ) hundred thousand involved in some form of computer-based audio ???
(whether or not that figure might include all the crackheads is another debate i guess though)
slainte
rob-
- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 6 Mar, 2001 from London, UK
Unfortunately commercial information regarding volumes of sales is very expensive and subject to ferocious copyright control. If you really want to know, you should subscribe to The Music Trades. The market for software is substantially smaller than the market for hardware in both cash terms and volumes. Steinberg ($5m 2003) contributes less than one hundredth of one percent to the bottom line of the Yamaha Music Corporation ($3bn 2003). Yamaha makes more money from piano strings.
Computer Music Magazine, last figures I saw (2004) had a circulation of roughly 20,000 copies, down on 2002 by about 20%. Future Music does even worse at about 16,000 which must be approaching the margins of viability. Interesting features of CMM readers is that 98% of them are male, average age around 35, and just over half use the internet as the principal means of purchase. ABC on Sound on SOund from 1999 indicated a circulation of around 27,000 copies.
Computer Music Magazine, last figures I saw (2004) had a circulation of roughly 20,000 copies, down on 2002 by about 20%. Future Music does even worse at about 16,000 which must be approaching the margins of viability. Interesting features of CMM readers is that 98% of them are male, average age around 35, and just over half use the internet as the principal means of purchase. ABC on Sound on SOund from 1999 indicated a circulation of around 27,000 copies.