KVR Audio

SonicBreeze · Post by **SonicBreeze** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:49 am

SJ_Digriz wrote:I think many of you are missing the central point Crimsonwarlock is making. The app is not a compositional workspace. It is a studio interface. I'm over simplifying a little, but one of the reasons you don't see "features" is because you think in terms of musical creativity, not commercial production. They are hugely different things. The day you spend 12->20 hours a day sitting in front of consoles mixing/mastering commericals, TV shows, radio spots, commercial CDs.... you can begin to judge this application.

If you are going to sit at home with some VST and an audio interface trying to compose songs or record your garage band, or even have a small studio built around an application like Cubase/Logic/Tracktion, you are not comparing the same things.

You are way under estimating people here who spent more than 15 years in producing for audio industry right starting from 2 track tascam spool tape machines to new Avid/Protools-HD3 systems and Nuendo3 for TV, commercials, Film Background scores and Bands.

If I calculate I have spent about 8 hours a day on consoles for 15 years on an average.

jackson · Post by **jackson** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:53 am

SonicBreeze wrote:You are way under estimating people here who spent more than 15 years in producing for audio industry right starting from 2 track tascam spool tape machines to new Avid/Protools-HD3 systems and Nuendo3 for TV, commercials, Film Background scores and Bands.

If I calculate I have spent about 8 housrs a day on consoles for 15 years on an average.

Trust me, you are in the minority here. Well, as far as regular posters go. Most here are amateur musicians who use their computer as a central part of the writing and production.

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:54 am

SonicBreeze wrote:Just curious. Anybody using SAW studio?

People are using it, and they are fanatical about it. Cognitive dissonance, or really superior experience? I don't know. My personal opinion is that once we reached quality beyond the threshold of human perception, it just doesn't matter if it can be improved. Maybe you can tell a recording made in SAW from one made in eXT in a blind test. I doubt it.

woc53 · Post by **woc53** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:58 am

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SonicBreeze · Post by **SonicBreeze** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:06 am

SJ_Digriz wrote:By the way, think about why Steinberg added Studio Control stuff to Nuendo when 99% of all posts are about silly stuff like better warp, folder tracks, <insert your acid live5 audio manipulation feature here>, etc, etc,.........

My guess is that all of the looper features are considered to be for a flaky, hard to support, hard to please community that doesn't make them much revenue, while the guys who are going to buy 20 copies of Nuendo are just talking to them direct and saying "We'll buy if you do xxxxxxxxxx"

I agree with you on that. but nothing compares Nuendo till date. It has more features than any other DAW. Or perhaps I can handle.

Well I am not fanboy of Nuendo though.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:14 am

SonicBreeze wrote: You are way under estimating people here who spent more than 15 years in producing for audio industry right starting from 2 track tascam spool tape machines to new Avid/Protools-HD3 systems and Nuendo3 for TV, commercials, Film Background scores and Bands.

If I calculate I have spent about 8 hours a day on consoles for 15 years on an average.

You are in the VAST minority here. And please don't take what I typed as a slam. I fall in the later group myself.

But, let me ask then, do you not see the clear difference between the capabilities of an application for recording and composition as opposed to a production environment? I am a home user/musician/hack but I have been in massive production facilities to small recording studios as well as track live bands. I can't imagine using Cubase in a production environment. And I equally can't imagine trying to use SAW on my desktop at home. They just are NOT for the same purpose.

woc53 · Post by **woc53** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:19 am

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SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:22 am

Another thing,(not trying to be insulting, but it will probably come out that way) your original post makes you sound like an 18 year old who has never set foot near a studio. You mention all of the stuff you've done, and yet you compare features that have nothing to do with what a production application is. You compare it to a recording/tracking application.

Nuendo is kick butt, but most of the production facility features it has are still very primative by comparison. It's recording platform is great and it has many, many other things going for it, but it is still lagging in production and post prodcution capabilites and stability. Especially when it comes to multi-room facilities management situations.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:24 am

oh, and I use Cubase at home and regularly go to a studio that uses Nuendo in a multi-room configuration. However, the two TV studios in town use SAW and there is NO comparison.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:30 am

http://www.sawstudiouser.net/forums/sho ... php?t=3795
Wow. There ARE professional people using thing! Shall we, ahem, introduce them to XT?

<edit> son of god, there are people paying 100 bucks a MONTH to use this thing. What the ...!!!

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:31 am

woc53 wrote:
Improv wrote:
Any links to these incredible skins?

I ask because the shades here:

http://www.sawstudio.com/SAWStudioShades.htm

look like horrible, like a bad psychadelic nightmare! Yuck!
Go to their forum and do a search--that's what I would have to do. If you want to be spoon-fed, bring your own Gerbers.

You were the one that brought up the 'incredible skins'. If you don't want people to think that the 'shades' on the link above are the only ones available, then provide a link and prove your point. Don't make unfounded assertions and then expect others to prove your point.

It's really NOT up to us to search out these 'incredible skins' if they do indeed exist. Unless you can prove that these skins are available people have every right to think that the skins at:

http://www.sawstudio.com/SAWStudioShades.htm

are fully representative of the best 'shades' available.

SonicBreeze · Post by **SonicBreeze** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:32 am

SJ_Digriz wrote:
SonicBreeze wrote: You are way under estimating people here who spent more than 15 years in producing for audio industry right starting from 2 track tascam spool tape machines to new Avid/Protools-HD3 systems and Nuendo3 for TV, commercials, Film Background scores and Bands.

If I calculate I have spent about 8 hours a day on consoles for 15 years on an average.
You are in the VAST minority here. And please don't take what I typed as a slam. I fall in the later group myself.

But, let me ask then, do you not see the clear difference between the capabilities of an application for recording and composition as opposed to a production environment? I am a home user/musician/hack but I have been in massive production facilities to small recording studios as well as track live bands. I can't imagine using Cubase in a production environment. And I equally can't imagine trying to use SAW on my desktop at home. They just are NOT for the same purpose.

Sure I see the difference. They are not same in any case but I repeat my question here again. why BASIC version then?

@woc53:I am not trying to trash any program here. It is a general question asked to people who use and know the real power of SAW.

And I am not claiming That I know everything about SAW. yup..I am wearing my ignorance on my sleeve

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:38 am

ok, i'm reading the threads in that forum, and everyone is nuts about the program. Its like they're talking about a seperate world. I havent seen a forum where peoeple are THIS satisfied. Just what IS going on!!??

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:39 am

SonicBreeze wrote: And I am not claiming That I know everything about SAW. yup..I am wearing my ignorance on my sleeve

The problem is like asking why can I get a car for $5,000, but a bus costs $50,000....heck even the cheap assed entry level short buss costs $30,000. Seriously you are not asking about the same product type or customer target. That means the cost and everything else about it will not be in synch with your comparison products. It simply is NOT for that audience. My guess is (and I'll wear my ignorance on my sleeve here) that the cheap version is to get smaller shops to take a peek, not to win over the mass consumer audio market.

woc53 · Post by **woc53** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:05 am

Improv wrote:
woc53 wrote:
Improv wrote:
Any links to these incredible skins?

I ask because the shades here:

http://www.sawstudio.com/SAWStudioShades.htm

look like horrible, like a bad psychadelic nightmare! Yuck!
Go to their forum and do a search--that's what I would have to do. If you want to be spoon-fed, bring your own Gerbers.

You were the one that brought up the 'incredible skins'. If you don't want people to think that the 'shades' on the link above are the only ones available, then provide a link and prove your point. Don't make unfounded assertions and then expect others to prove your point.

It's really NOT up to us to search out these 'incredible skins' if they do indeed exist. Unless you can prove that these skins are available people have every right to think that the skins at:

http://www.sawstudio.com/SAWStudioShades.htm

are fully representative of the best 'shades' available.

Here's a little test for you:

1. Your arse.
2. A hole in the ground.
3. Now, tell me, which is which?

what does a DAW for $2500?