Realistic Guitar Tones / Rigs ...

[Amberience]

tone comes from the guitar and ultimately the player a fair bit imho, tone is important and knowledge of what goes into that tone is important, no doubt...but I'd rather hear a great guitar player through a crap amp than a crap guitar player through a great amp with awesome tone...

You mean Nickelback?

[championrabbit]

I also have to disagree, The objective of anyone is to find thier sound

The objective of most musicians is to write and play great music, not to 'find their sound'. This 'finding your sound' thing is akin to golf hobbyists 'finding their club'; it's nothing more than a time-filler. It has no intrinsic artist value.

Nothing inherently wrong with being obsessed with 'finding your sound' I suppose, but it's definitely a hobby that falls outside of the artists sphere. It's more about Gear Acquisition Syndrome and marketing nonsense.

Joe Sixpack is not going to boo you off-stage halfway through your cover of 'Summer of '69' because you haven't spent years 'finding your sound'.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

i still stand by my statement

shut up and play yer guitar

I'm not disagreeing with you...

Hink, you take your new england attitude and shove it!!! IM SICK OF YOU DISAGREEING WITH ME!!!!!

hehe.. I know youre not, it was meant as a general statement.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

I also have to disagree, The objective of anyone is to find thier sound

The objective of most musicians is to write and play great music, not to 'find their sound'. This 'finding your sound' thing is akin to golf hobbyists 'finding their club'; it's nothing more than a time-filler. It has no intrinsic artist value.

Nothing inherently wrong with being obsessed with 'finding your sound' I suppose, but it's definitely a hobby that falls outside of the artists sphere. It's more about Gear Acquisition Syndrome and marketing nonsense.

Joe Sixpack is not going to boo you off-stage halfway through your cover of 'Summer of '69' because you haven't spent years 'finding your sound'.

yo

all of this stuff i was going to say!!!
but not nearly as good.

well met, chap!

[Hink]

tone comes from the guitar and ultimately the player a fair bit imho, tone is important and knowledge of what goes into that tone is important, no doubt...but I'd rather hear a great guitar player through a crap amp than a crap guitar player through a great amp with awesome tone...

You mean Nickelback?

which part do you feel applies to them? My wife likes them, I don't care for them much myself...tbh when I spoke of crap guitar players I was a tad out of line...I would be better served saying "less developed"...part of the curse from working music retail I guess...50 plus hours a week of kids who haven't yet learned to play plugging into a stack and assualting my ears tainted my judgement some on that post...even though 3 years ago this weekend I walked out of my last retail job, it still haunts me...but then we all start somewhere and have to learn. That's why I take my hat off to Sascha for being able to teach. After 50 hours a week my ears were tired and I started having to force myself to play...that's when I got out...

[Jason Brian Merrill]

I think more of finding a "style" and a "voice" than a sound...

[championrabbit]

50 plus hours a week of kids who haven't yet learned to play plugging into a stack and assualting my ears

Why do you hate Rock and Roll?



Seriously though, (not particularly pointing this at Hink) since when did Rock and Roll become a bastion of tastefulness and conservatism?

I think I can hear Jimi rolling (joints) in his grave.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

it happens to everything eventually...

the pigs faces were like the humans, and the humans faces were like the pigs'...

every revolution, this happens to.

rock and roll is no longer a revolution..rap used to be, now its also assimilated.

[championrabbit]

it happens to everything eventually...

the pigs faces were like the humans, and the humans faces were like the pigs'...

every revolution, this happens to.

rock and roll is no longer a revolution..rap used to be, now its also assimilated.

Yeah, this is true.

[Hink]

50 plus hours a week of kids who haven't yet learned to play plugging into a stack and assualting my ears

Why do you hate Rock and Roll?



Seriously though, (not particularly pointing this at Hink) since when did Rock and Roll become a bastion of tastefulness and conservatism?

I think I can hear Jimi rolling (joints) in his grave.

I think you misse my point, you know I live for rock and roll...but there is a limit...btw about the rest, I agree and it's worse when you're a fast guitar player...automatically by being fast you have no chance of playing with feeling and emoyion and fwiw I think that's just a crock of shit started by eletist guitarists...I'm certainly not a conservative ax slinger...

[Killvehicle]

i think there are ppl that are way too obsessed with tone -- perhaps to cover up their lack of creativity, who knows.

I also have to disagree, The objective of anyone is to find thier sound, So finding "tone" can be an exhaustive search for some, although if that is all one is concerned about then your statement fits. I mean I just bought a cheap little practice amp for home, and it took me a little while to get the sound I want out od the little bugger, I had to mod a few pedals and now I am happy, And I probably wont mess with it for quite a while, Hell I have owned my main rig for over 10 years now and havent changed a thing with my set-up,(aside from lowering or upping the gain or perhaps an eq in the FX loop to please my ear on that day) some may say I havent evolved, I say I like the sound, why change, , I can get blues, straight up Death metal and everything in between, although I am happy that I am now able to have a JCM 800 at my disposal to use whenever I want as well,, BUt with a mod Boss SD-1 it almost sounds exactly like my 5150, so maybe I havent changed at all..

my sound has changed over 35 years constantly, I am no longer a one sounding guitarist...to say you haven't changed at all in ten years in my opinion is kinda sad...if you don't mind staying in one place all your life then that's cool...but it doesn't hold true for everyone...I liked playing with my erector set when I was young too...I guess I could of stayed there, but I grew and eventually became a machinist...why change? Because we grow...this is not an attack KV, but why don't you want to grow?

I believe you need different sounds for different styles, I use to limit myself...but why would I want to limit my creativity because I don't want to change my sound? Not to mention that ear fatigue sets in and it's like an addiction, once you build up that tolerance you need more. The more you learn the better off you are imho...but I have to be quite honest, if I didn't evolve I would give up, and I certainly would not brag about not evolving...especially if I said

I bet you more than the majority of people here would agree everything sounds the same and its time we get back to some originality in recording.

isn't that a tad contradictory?

and before you say it I'm not trashing your music, but the two statements do not seem to fit each other very well imo. I know you're not going to tell me that the 5150 is a super versatile amp, it wasn't designed to be and frankly it isn't (and that comes from PK training with Peavey).

Oh man first off I said I can get any tone I want out of my setup so why change,, How is that sad? When I have everything I want.

ANd then you brign up a statement I made months ago, which is completely out of context and, when I was talking about drum samples and everybody using the same sounds. YOur f**king stupid hink, thats what I think now, YOu are always trying to find a way to make me look uneducated or simple. I say f**k off, I am happy with my rig, and I CAN get very versatile sounds out of it, I can guarentee Hink I am a much more versatile player than you think, Believe me, When havent you read my posts where I said I used to be a musical whore, playing in Jazz bands blues bands, Bar bands, I have played in straight up punk and hardcore, I mean why do you tell me I dont grow.. Just becaseu I concentrate on Death Metal now is what I want to do now. And last week I started in a more doom-oriented sludge type band. I am constantly doing new things, and all with my 5150 and I can make it fit in wherever I want.. It is just getting so annoying withg you, I have tried to be fair on more than one occasion with you and you end up saying shit like this all the time,

ANd finally arent you being a tad bit contradictory stating "tone" has a lot to do with the person as well?? Yet you say you have always been changing your sound/equiptment. I have owned 2 amps in the almost 20 years I have played besides a couple little practice amp, and if I count those, 4 total amps in my life.. Maybe thats why I have the same rig for so long becasue my Styles have certainly changed, That I change continuolsy.. But my sound(amps, guitars) dont, maybe that should clarify... My playing dictates how I sound, not the other way around man,,


Chapion Rabbit

Killvehicle wrote:
I also have to disagree, The objective of anyone is to find thier sound


The objective of most musicians is to write and play great music, not to 'find their sound'. This 'finding your sound' thing is akin to golf hobbyists 'finding their club'; it's nothing more than a time-filler. It has no intrinsic artist value.

Nothing inherently wrong with being obsessed with 'finding your sound' I suppose, but it's definitely a hobby that falls outside of the artists sphere. It's more about Gear Acquisition Syndrome and marketing nonsense.

Joe Sixpack is not going to boo you off-stage halfway through your cover of 'Summer of '69' because you haven't spent years 'finding your sound'.

What part of my quote wherte I said I dont tinker with my shit too much that you missed?? I stated pretty clearly that I haventy changed my rig in 10 years and can get all the sounds I use out of it. Hink trashed me for saying that, and now you are saying its of no artistic value,the opposite end.!! How do 2 people respond on different angles on the same quote? I was merely stating a person needs to find his or her sound. I DONT continuosly f**k with my sound, I am the anti-tweaker, but for f**ks sake you need to have your sound and that can take some time,, to say one can never tweak for a period of time trying to devolop a sound is absurd!!! COmpletely!!! THAT IS a part of being an artist and creating whats in your head,, this is ridiculous.

Of course if you come across a person who is never happy and has always "evolved" his sound as Hink says then I agreee where is the art., I sit down and plug in my guitar and go off and write songs. I do this every day. nothing more nothing less, I think earlier on this thread I also said who wants to tweak an amp?? NOT ME!!!!! Dont take my words out of context, and we all will have a decent conversation...

[Hink]

okay I'm stupid

but I did say it wasn't an attack and yet you attacked me....and that quote cam from AT2 high gain amp sims...yet I never swore at you, or attacked you, trashed you or put you down....and I still wont.

[deaf dunderkwac]

okay I'm stupid

said the troll...

[deaf dunderkwac]

btw...
I've heard it many times by 'real' guitar players (and to a MUCH lesser extent, myself) that it matters not what they plug into to or use. They (and I) always end up sounding like themselves.(while my guitar gently kwacs)

thank you for your time, have a nice day...

[championrabbit]

I think you misse my point

I was just kidding around!

It was a riff on the old

"President Bush is a vile waste of air!"

"Why do you hate America?!"

routine.