KVR Audio

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:51 am

brambos wrote:
LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY wrote:
brambos wrote:Uh.. yes, it does work. I can put up an audio example if you want to hear it in action.
Thats fine and dandy mr tuna but can it skew its gridlines>!?
No, but I was just responding to the remark that the swing is buggy and doesn't work

Bram,

I don't mean any disrespect - please don't take it that way. You were gone so I couldn't write you about it, but I can create two loops -- one with the swing slider turned all the way to the max value, and one without, and the two loops sound exactly the same.

I don't want to side track this thread. I really like Tunafish, and would love to sort this out. In fact, I was hoping at some point that I'd get a chance to figure this out with you.

If you want to, we can start a new thread, or go off line and figure this out. I want to help you as much as possible with Tunafish, because it runs on such low resources. I have an old laptop that I use to create my music on, and Tunafish is my go-to host for putting ideas together when I'm on the go.

If you want, you can PM me and we can work it out. Who knows, maybe I am wrong and there is no problem with it. But if that's the case, I'd like to be sure, and figure out what I'm doing wrong -- I can't see how I could be doing anything wrong, since the swing slider is the only thing changed in my tests. At any rate, do you want to PM me and we can work on this? Would that work for you?

--Sean

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:55 am

The Chase wrote:Oh dang are you calling Bones' music Trance! haha it will be on!

Hardly worth worrying about from an idiot who needs his piano roll to do his swing for him.

scott8035 · Post by **scott8035** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:57 am

Why not just record a real instrument? Wouldn't that actually be easier in this case?

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY · Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:15 am

BONES wrote:
The Chase wrote:Oh dang are you calling Bones' music Trance! haha it will be on!
Hardly worth worrying about from an idiot who needs his piano roll to do his swing for him.

The amount of eyeroll emoticons needed to acurately respond to this far excedes the maximum amount of smileys allowed by kvr.

Besides that.. Some people like to get their hands a little more dirty while editing their tracks.. I like to place every note exactly where I intend it to be.. I try to make everything intentional. Some people just don't make music that reflects that mentality.. Thats okay.. I like a lot of musicians who write that way. Its just not my style.

funkadil · Post by **funkadil** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:33 am

Hey LIMIT, how did you like my FR of destructive midi effects in eXT? Or rendering of midi effects? I know its not what you want but could help maybe.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:55 am

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY wrote:The amount of eyeroll emoticons needed to acurately respond to this far excedes the maximum amount of smileys allowed by kvr.

the quoth of the day.

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY · Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:26 am

funkadil wrote:Hey LIMIT, how did you like my FR of destructive midi effects in eXT? Or rendering of midi effects? I know its not what you want but could help maybe.

I would think it would be best to incorporate both of our fr's into one more general feature that allows you to do both..

You can either load a groove module into THE GRID so that it is skewed appropriately, or apply it destructively to a selection of notes without affecting the appearence of the grid.

HOWS THAT!!

deggy · Post by **deggy** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:26 am

i know i mnetioned it earlier but i think that logic pro 7 allows for more detail in its swing function than cubase. i think its prob the best i know of so far

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:54 am

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY wrote:The amount of eyeroll emoticons needed to acurately respond to this far excedes the maximum amount of smileys allowed by kvr.

As opposed to your brilliantly thought-out reply regarding trance music.

Besides that.. Some people like to get their hands a little more dirty while editing their tracks.. I like to place every note exactly where I intend it to be.

So turn off your grid and place 'em exactly where you like. It sounds to me like you want your host to place 'em for you, which is a whole 'nuther thing, and then you have the temerity to take the high road over it as though havinng your host put swing into your compostions for you makes you somehow better than those who choose not to use swing at all. You're a moron.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:05 am

Why's he a moron?
If you'd ever used this feature in SX you'd possibly realise how useful it can be in certain situations.
It can save time when trying to match the groove of a rexed file for instance, giving visual clues/feedback.
It can be a workflow enhancement.
I don't like SX, but I can (& have) seen the usefulness of this feature.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:31 am

I have no doubt that its a very useful feature but using it hardly makes you some kind of musical f**king genius. Quite the opposite in fact, just like the rest of us.

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY · Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:09 am

Using your same logic.. ANY quantization would be considered as your "host putting notes in FOR YOU"..

Its about the fact that I KNOW exactly where it SHOULD go.. However, I can't eye-ball 60% swing consistently with a mouse and monitor that dont have nearly as much precision as 44khz audio.. Does that make sense to you bones?

By the way.. What makes you the authority on everything.. I really don't want to get into an argument in this thread.. I'd be happy to take it out to hyde park.. But i don't understand.. Do you think you are more intelligent than me? Im just curious. A simple yes/no would be fine.. However, I doubt you will answer either, unless it would be JUST to prove me wrong in saying that you won't answer yes or no. I took a listen to your music BONES and its not bad.. But I hardly think it makes you the authority on whether or not wanting a swing grid makes someone a moron.

// By the way.. Spelling more acurately than someone does not make you more intelligent than them.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:39 am

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY wrote:
Its about the fact that I KNOW exactly where it SHOULD go.. However, I can't eye-ball 60% swing consistently with a mouse and monitor that dont have nearly as much precision as 44khz audio.. Does that make sense to you bones?

I remember this function now from Cubase, and indeed it was cool.

However I suggest you try my method with eXT until jorgen implements this feature (I'm pretty sure it will in xt2), works with the drum part:

ctrl+click a key on the piano roll to select all notes, turn snap of and ctrl+arrow to move the hits in time in very small steps. I usually close my eyes and listen. Then do the same with other hits (ok it's better just to select some hi-hat hits and let most of them to be straight).

You might get visual help by setting the grid to 128 and zoom out, but I couldn't tell a 15% swing visually from 292923,0018%, but it is very easy to hear.

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:41 pm

audiojunkie wrote:
brambos wrote:
LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY wrote:
brambos wrote:Uh.. yes, it does work. I can put up an audio example if you want to hear it in action.
Thats fine and dandy mr tuna but can it skew its gridlines>!?
No, but I was just responding to the remark that the swing is buggy and doesn't work
Bram,

I don't mean any disrespect - please don't take it that way. You were gone so I couldn't write you about it, but I can create two loops -- one with the swing slider turned all the way to the max value, and one without, and the two loops sound exactly the same.

I don't want to side track this thread. I really like Tunafish, and would love to sort this out. In fact, I was hoping at some point that I'd get a chance to figure this out with you.

If you want to, we can start a new thread, or go off line and figure this out. I want to help you as much as possible with Tunafish, because it runs on such low resources. I have an old laptop that I use to create my music on, and Tunafish is my go-to host for putting ideas together when I'm on the go.

If you want, you can PM me and we can work it out. Who knows, maybe I am wrong and there is no problem with it. But if that's the case, I'd like to be sure, and figure out what I'm doing wrong -- I can't see how I could be doing anything wrong, since the swing slider is the only thing changed in my tests. At any rate, do you want to PM me and we can work on this? Would that work for you?

--Sean

Um...

I just want to let everyone know that Bram and I got together over my swing concern, and the result is that I am an idiot.

The Tunafish swing works just fine, and my brain apparently doesn't.

I don't want to slander a really well made, and continuously developing product, so I'm coming back to this thread to make it known to everyone here.

I also want to add that Bram is a really great guy! He was very helpful and didn't give me a hard time at all. I think that he has done really well with supporting the customer (me), even when the customer (me) is wrong.

--Sean

seamoss · Post by **seamoss** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:02 pm

BONES wrote:ORION also has quantise, both real-time and post, and will shortly have step-mode recording too.

oooh...soon it will be professional.

Need a host with a piano roll as good as cubase..