Hey Mixtremist, Jake,
This thread was started as an attempt to fill in for the lack of documentation with VSampler. If you guys need help with any features ask away. I'm sure someone will assist.
As for general talk about Maz/Vsampler maybe best to start another thread.
"Unofficial - VSampler Help Desk"
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2841 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Planet Earth...for now
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- KVRian
- 859 posts since 14 Sep, 2004
I'v been trying to find how to do something fairly simple, and can do this in one way, but I suspect there's a better method: All I need to do is open an instrument that contains a single bank and then create separate presets based on this original instrument and save them as separate banks within the same instrument. In other words, I want to be able to open a piano, make changes to the filter and velocity settings, and then save that new version of the piano as a separate bank within the instrument, so I can switch back and forth between the original piano and the new one.
The only way I know to do this is to first copy the original piano to a new bank column, double-click and change the name, make the changes, and then save the instrument. Works fine, but trouble arises when I don't plan to create a new bank, but instead just play, and then find some new settings, making a few edits here and a few there, that I'd like to save as a new bank. Is there a way to save the changes as a new bank without overwriting the original bank in this situation? (The File menu has no option for saving just a bank instead of the entire instrument.)
The only way I know to do this is to first copy the original piano to a new bank column, double-click and change the name, make the changes, and then save the instrument. Works fine, but trouble arises when I don't plan to create a new bank, but instead just play, and then find some new settings, making a few edits here and a few there, that I'd like to save as a new bank. Is there a way to save the changes as a new bank without overwriting the original bank in this situation? (The File menu has no option for saving just a bank instead of the entire instrument.)
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- KVRian
- 679 posts since 6 Aug, 2004 from Cyberspace
Im glad this has happend. I love vsampler. As for looping...
If you open VSampler in a host that supports drag and drop you can import your loop, select slice, then drag the midi loop to your sequencer.
I'll need to reinstall VSampler to do a step by step. Im using Ubuntu Studio so I'll let you know how I go. If it works out VSampler and Linux would be pretty cool
If you open VSampler in a host that supports drag and drop you can import your loop, select slice, then drag the midi loop to your sequencer.
I'll need to reinstall VSampler to do a step by step. Im using Ubuntu Studio so I'll let you know how I go. If it works out VSampler and Linux would be pretty cool
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- KVRian
- 679 posts since 6 Aug, 2004 from Cyberspace
I installed VSampler in Ubuntu Studio using this brilliant step-by-step...
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
Ive been testing this for the last few days. VSampler in WineASIO is brilliant
Ive asked Maz for my reg key but he hasnt got back yet so I could only test it so far. When I upgrade this computer Im going to use it as a standalone for VSampler.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
Ive been testing this for the last few days. VSampler in WineASIO is brilliant
Ive asked Maz for my reg key but he hasnt got back yet so I could only test it so far. When I upgrade this computer Im going to use it as a standalone for VSampler.It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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- KVRian
- 859 posts since 14 Sep, 2004
Now I'm trying to do something else, completely unrelated to my previous question about saving banks.
I need to be able to play two or more instruments at once. (Really trying to do something simple: assign a hammer-thump noise to another instrument so I can turn its volume up and down easily without having to create a group within in the main instrument, and save this default bank of hammer strike samples to my default instrument, so whenever I load a piano library, I'll always have hammer strikes available and can raise or lower the volume using a slider.)
It occurs to me that I may want VSampler to do something that soft samplers just don't do, since they may just expect you to load each instrument into a sequencer and mix the sounds there.
On the other hand, I thought it might be fairly simple to either assign both instruments to the same channel or keep them on separate channels and play both at once, but I'm not having any luck. I tried loading the two instruments (piano and hammer strikes) on the same row, so they share the same channel, but only one plays at a time. I tried loading both instruments in the same column, so they were fed to different channels, but then I couldn't get both channels to play at once.
I worry that I'm spending lots of time trying to do something that may seem self-evident to other people, partly because it occurs to me that what I'm trying to do may more a function of the sequencer\host than of VSampler. In other words, I'm trying variations of three basic ways in which to attempt this, and I'm just getting lost. Suggestions?
I need to be able to play two or more instruments at once. (Really trying to do something simple: assign a hammer-thump noise to another instrument so I can turn its volume up and down easily without having to create a group within in the main instrument, and save this default bank of hammer strike samples to my default instrument, so whenever I load a piano library, I'll always have hammer strikes available and can raise or lower the volume using a slider.)
It occurs to me that I may want VSampler to do something that soft samplers just don't do, since they may just expect you to load each instrument into a sequencer and mix the sounds there.
On the other hand, I thought it might be fairly simple to either assign both instruments to the same channel or keep them on separate channels and play both at once, but I'm not having any luck. I tried loading the two instruments (piano and hammer strikes) on the same row, so they share the same channel, but only one plays at a time. I tried loading both instruments in the same column, so they were fed to different channels, but then I couldn't get both channels to play at once.
I worry that I'm spending lots of time trying to do something that may seem self-evident to other people, partly because it occurs to me that what I'm trying to do may more a function of the sequencer\host than of VSampler. In other words, I'm trying variations of three basic ways in which to attempt this, and I'm just getting lost. Suggestions?
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- KVRian
- 679 posts since 6 Aug, 2004 from Cyberspace
Hey dont worry about it
Download this...
http://www.maz-sound.com/downloads/vs3/ ... ual_en.zip
And look on page 46 for the info on midi. Setup your sequencer for the same midi channel youve set VSampler to and your rocking
Download this...
http://www.maz-sound.com/downloads/vs3/ ... ual_en.zip
And look on page 46 for the info on midi. Setup your sequencer for the same midi channel youve set VSampler to and your rocking
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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- Banned
- 1966 posts since 2 Mar, 2004
hi,
you are right. VSampler is designed in a way that layering sound is a task of the host software. Inside VSampler (in the midi pane) you can assign instruments to midi chanels and outputs. from your host application you, if you send midi data to both receive chanels simultaneously (simplest way: set to omni receive), vsapler will play both outputs.
but there is a much easier way do achieve what you want. you merge the two instrumnets. vsampler automatically creates a group of the new content. now select this group (in the zone pane) and adjust the volume in the volume of this zone in volume pane (if you have different volume settings per sample then make sure to set the operation mode to relative, that's done with the button in the right upper corner). once adjusted you can save it and always reuse it.
cheers, akj
you are right. VSampler is designed in a way that layering sound is a task of the host software. Inside VSampler (in the midi pane) you can assign instruments to midi chanels and outputs. from your host application you, if you send midi data to both receive chanels simultaneously (simplest way: set to omni receive), vsapler will play both outputs.
but there is a much easier way do achieve what you want. you merge the two instrumnets. vsampler automatically creates a group of the new content. now select this group (in the zone pane) and adjust the volume in the volume of this zone in volume pane (if you have different volume settings per sample then make sure to set the operation mode to relative, that's done with the button in the right upper corner). once adjusted you can save it and always reuse it.
cheers, akj
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- KVRAF
- 5629 posts since 22 Sep, 2005
hEY glad to see I'm not the only one that loves Vsampler! One thing I've never been able to figure out is how to get Round Robin to work!?! If anyone knows please tell me this.. Can Round Robin be used to trigger several separate ZONES consecutively? Or is it primarly for use with single samples with detected slices? BTW sorry if my question(s) are not in correct color, belive it or not I'm using a medical monocrome monitor right now..
I'd like to be able to press a key on my controller to play a sequence of samples.. Is this possible with version 3.52?
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I'd like to be able to press a key on my controller to play a sequence of samples.. Is this possible with version 3.52?
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- Banned
- 1966 posts since 2 Mar, 2004
robin round is meant to as a humanisation feature, ie different samples will be used when repeatedly hitting the same note (even at the same velocity). also good for automatic up and down bow strokes, etc.
But VSampler ha a step sequencer built in which I suppose is menat for this task. I never used it, because I have hosts which are quite good at this kind of thing (ext, fl studio project 5), but give it a try (you come to it when you press the "pattern" button at the very right side of the gui).
But VSampler ha a step sequencer built in which I suppose is menat for this task. I never used it, because I have hosts which are quite good at this kind of thing (ext, fl studio project 5), but give it a try (you come to it when you press the "pattern" button at the very right side of the gui).
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- KVRian
- 859 posts since 14 Sep, 2004
I know about merging. I'm trying to keep the instruments separate, and I've just spent two hours trying to get things set up in Reaper correctly, with no luck: No matter how I configure things, I'm only getting one sound out. I need sleep and food. This shouldn't be that hard--I've read the manuals for both programs, and tried both creating two track to play each instrument on each track and assigning one track to omni, so it should play all the channels. Neither method works. Part of my apparent confusion comes from the way VSampler, loaded as a vsti, refers to each instrument destination as a vst instead of as a channel on the Midi page--I'm not even sure it's letting me load the instruments onto channels when I see this language.
I suspect I'm doing something simple wrong, but I can't find it. I know midi and VSampler and Reaper fairly well, and routing a channel to a sequencer just isn't all that hard. Maybe with a night's sleep I can come back, and step through it again and come out with the result I want. Thanks for any suggestions.
I suspect I'm doing something simple wrong, but I can't find it. I know midi and VSampler and Reaper fairly well, and routing a channel to a sequencer just isn't all that hard. Maybe with a night's sleep I can come back, and step through it again and come out with the result I want. Thanks for any suggestions.
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- KVRAF
- 5629 posts since 22 Sep, 2005
Yes I figured this much, its setting the sample order that is giving me the problem..AKJ wrote:...different samples will be used when repeatedly hitting the same note (even at the same velocity).
Either do I, its hideous IMO. The sequencer would be much nicer tho if you could automate the record buttonAKJ wrote:VSampler ha a step sequencer built in which I suppose is menat for this task. I never used it...
!!Oh and it would also be nice if you could automate the envelope points! Anyone find any sensible correlation between those and the ADSR sliders?
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- KVRist
- 235 posts since 18 Oct, 2002
Perhaps one of the mods could make this topic into a sticky. I just know that I will need to find it later, and won't be able to. There are probably a lot of Vsampler users who use this forum on a regular basis.
Baxter
Baxter
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- Banned
- 1966 posts since 2 Mar, 2004
Jake, is there a reason way you do not want to merge? I always do it like that: keep the single programs, make a copy and then merge. the program matrix of vsampler gives you a space of 128x128 programs.
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- Banned
- 1966 posts since 2 Mar, 2004
@lagrange
automation generally should be quite simple. VSampler has midi learn (right click the resp. control bitton), but for adsr it is not possible, since in VSampler you may define your own multi point envelope curves, so it is not just adsr.
automation generally should be quite simple. VSampler has midi learn (right click the resp. control bitton), but for adsr it is not possible, since in VSampler you may define your own multi point envelope curves, so it is not just adsr.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
vsampler was about the ONLY thing that was good about my sonar 3 experience! 
(er, the sonitus were good too, but only a few are "vst")
I have questions please (and yes I'll read all this thread later)
a. vsampler is pretty old in terms of updates and such........is there a list somewhere of how it stacks/is compatible with other samplers?
b. Kinda an add-on to the above, but is it "current" aka kontakt 2 (er, not expecting 3 yet for sure), halion 3, etc?
c. It was a bit rough for the "newbie" back then, but did they ever actually make a manual? Seems to me this was something people were waiting for back in the day.........
sorry if it's been answered, but it's one of the things I have that isn't being used that COULD be used, if appropriate
(er, the sonitus were good too, but only a few are "vst")I have questions please (and yes I'll read all this thread later)
a. vsampler is pretty old in terms of updates and such........is there a list somewhere of how it stacks/is compatible with other samplers?
b. Kinda an add-on to the above, but is it "current" aka kontakt 2 (er, not expecting 3 yet for sure), halion 3, etc?
c. It was a bit rough for the "newbie" back then, but did they ever actually make a manual? Seems to me this was something people were waiting for back in the day.........
sorry if it's been answered, but it's one of the things I have that isn't being used that COULD be used, if appropriate