VST/DX Tube compressor

[Dandruff]

But anyway, just forget it, I do not really care.

yeah, go and feed google with your stupid questions ...

[Torben]

[Barbarossa]

Dandruff, you're an idiot.

[Dandruff]

[Kingston]

there it is again. that f**king word



'warm'

I suppose you also want you compressor to have 'character' and to sound 'more 3d'?

whats wrong with 'warm' and 'character'?? Audio is hard enough to verbalise as it is, if words like warm were disallowed it would be almost impossible!

I agree that a compressor isnt likely to sound 3d though a mix could sound more 3D easily.

Let's see now, instead of shooting in the dark with perfectly subjective wording, how about:

'warm'

1. an invisible boost at 50-200hz.
2. a dib at high freq content.
3. less defined mids, often presenting itself as the "loudness effect".
4. increased noisefloor, most likely not white noise, but something like brown instead.
5. inter/intramodulation artifacts
6. less defined transients, or just plain not coming thru well
7. increased transients on bass/mids! that's right. some people hear this as "warmth"
8. compressive artifacts
9. increased harmonic distortion content (usually even harmonics are less pronounced), either by waveshaping-like processing, or simply by adding them in with more advanced methods.
10. increased audio asymmetry or a DC component in processing
11. room/ambience in recordings.

combine any of that lot and you're "getting warm".

'character'

1. see the list above and think of it "inversed"

'more 3d'

1. clear transients across the image
2. mix frequency slotting (EQ/mic placement/rooms etc.) or transient shaping (read compression) to bring out focus points
3. frequency slotting in reverbs/ambiences
4. little or no image modulation artifacts
5. low noise floor, although this is a dealbreaker, since some people hear increased weighted noise as "clear image". ie. dither, or analog summing.
6. little or no AD/DA clocking artifacts, ie jitter errors and modulations






I'm perfectly aware those lists aren't conclusive, but can you at least see why (as an example) those words are useless in describing audio? Also keeping in mind many of the points I listed are subjective, ie. no clear agreement is ever possible.

[aMUSEd]

What about Voxengo Warmifier, Lampthruster and Tube Amp? Does Marquis supercede them all now?

[NoBrain2k]

there it is again. that f**king word



'warm'

I suppose you also want you compressor to have 'character' and to sound 'more 3d'?

whats wrong with 'warm' and 'character'?? Audio is hard enough to verbalise as it is, if words like warm were disallowed it would be almost impossible!

I agree that a compressor isnt likely to sound 3d though a mix could sound more 3D easily.

how about:

'warm'

1. an invisible boost at 50-200hz.
2. a dib at high freq content.
3. less defined mids, often presenting itself as the "loudness effect".
4. increased noisefloor, most likely not white noise, but something like brown instead.
5. inter/intramodulation artifacts
6. less defined transients, or just plain not coming thru well
7. increased transients on bass/mids! that's right. some people hear this as "warmth"
8. compressive artifacts
9. increased harmonic distortion content (usually even harmonics are less pronounced), either by waveshaping-like processing, or simply by adding them in with more advanced methods.
10. increased audio asymmetry or a DC component in processing
11. room/ambience in recordings.

I'd rather just say warm .

warmth is a feeling that we can all experience, and thus using the word to describe a sound works well.

it doesn't really matter anyway, im not too bothered but i'm going to keep saying warm. 99% of the people i know will just stare blankly if i start talking to them about 'harmonic distortion content', the other 1% will just pretend they know what im on about.

[Kingston]

warmth is a feeling that we can all experience, and thus using the word to describe a sound works well.

We don't all experience "warmth" in music/audio/processing the same way, the whole point of my post.

And since we're on KVR most people will (and I'm keeping fingers crossed here) understand that list.

You: "I want [insert whatever effect here] with analog warmth and character".

Me: "How about you describe something we can actually measure?"

[Jarvis]

Here goes the android ear boy...

[NoBrain2k]

whats wrong with "analog character"? thats surely asking for something with characteristics similar to those of analog equipment? Anyway I agree with you that its all very inspecific and i do understand what your saying. Asking for a plugin that is warm is probably not very useful. but i think saying "the mix is very warm" is quite alright because its a subjective thing you are talking about rather than a specific function that you are requesting from a plugin.

[Kingston]

Here goes the android ear boy...

Go away Doug1/pinga/Johnny Mumra. We're having a reasonably civilised discussion here, no need for you to ruin the thread like you do every single time.

[bmanic]

Dandruff, you're an idiot.

Hurray for groupies!

[Aleksey Vaneev]

Torben, what do you mean?

[Aleksey Vaneev]

P.T., rectifier or Marshall is a high-gain overdrive, with probably like 5 tube stages.. Marquis has got one tube emulation - and it is not a full-blown tube stage. Just a stage that adds a good amount of harmonics in a similar soft manner like tubes do. And it is not a waveshaping at all.

[Aleksey Vaneev]

aMUSEd, Marquis is limited in its variation of tube harmonics - both Warmifier and Lampthruster allow to vary the character of harmonics. Lampthruster allows this to less extent - it usually sounds 'bright' overall. And since Lampthruster was my first creation of this kind, it is much brighter than Warmifier and Marquis Compressor while tubes are not generally bright if they are not overdriven to their cutoff point. Tube Amp is more like a waveshaper, but it is a bit more complex than that. Of course, it can add warmness as well, but it is not as elegant as Warmifier or Marquis Compressor in my opinion.

The only small disadvantage of both Warmifier and Marquis Compressor (in 'Phasy' mode) is that they add very strong low-frequency phase coloration. Even though, this makes things sound much warmer and softer overall, in some case this may reduce punch - so it is acceptable for all kinds of acoustic music, but should be used with care for clipped club music. But when working in the 'Linear' mode Marquis Compressor overcomes these problems as well and all it offers are smooth tube-alike harmonics. You may analyze its performance with a swept-sine and you'll see how huge amount of harmonics it adds, but this still sounds good in almost all cases.