thanx Col.G ... i'd love to hear any tracks you use them in.Col.G wrote:I just helped myself.thecontrolcentre wrote:If you want some ROCK drum loops (wav format), there are a couple of free DrumPacks on the STUDIO page of my website ... please help yourself
Thank you very much CC!
The loops and samples sound really good.
Thank you,
G.
Read my first post. I've tried RMX w/ the EXP libs. I thought the Backbeat playing was WAY too busy, and most of it way too 'funky' for straight rock music. Plus the processing on each set of 4-5 loops is different (modern, wacky, pitchy, or lofi), etc, etc which is quite limiting. The same holds true for Burning Grooves. That's the main problem with the spectrasonics stuff. Their loops are practically songs in themselves. I hear them all over TV shows as mood music. It's usually just the loop and a dark pad or something. ie The "tone" of each loop is just SO unique that, to me, it feels like it only supports one style, and most are not in a style I want to write in. It also means that I don't feel like I could write a cohesive rock album using their stuff. Each track would be wildly different. I know their stuff is top quality, but it's just not for me. Boy I hope I don't get flamed for saying that...megl wrote:Errr ... YES!!! Backbeat, Burning Grooves, your own rex-loops etc etc etc.k2500x wrote:Stylus RMX is very cool for sure. Love the way everything sounds so radio ready. But does it allow me access to many variations on the classic rock/pop sound? Sadly no.
I agree that the built-in sound bank is not for you. I don't use it much either. I see RMX as a very advanced REX-player
/megl
Actually, in Sonar, you are good to go with the wav version of Endangered Rhythms, because Sonar supports Acidization, so you have total time elasticity for the loops. Just drop then into an audio track from the loop explorer and they will automatically snap to your project tempo.k2500x wrote:herodotus - I'm using Sonar. Still not sure how WAV format could be much easier, considering I might like to change or mix and match tempos, etc...
Yeah but even acidized files will lose quality if you cange the pitch too much, correct? I tend to like slow grooves. Which sometimes means 120+ bpm and slowing it down to 70-90bpm...Bassballjg wrote:
Actually, in Sonar, you are good to go with the wav version of Endangered Rhythms, because Sonar supports Acidization, so you have total time elasticity for the loops. Just drop then into an audio track from the loop explorer and they will automatically snap to your project tempo.
On the other hand, if you have a rex file player, the same loops in rex 2 will give you all the advantages of that format as well, so you really can't lose with ER.
This is partly what JamStix is good for. You have total control over how funky or straight the virtual drummer plays. Since JamStix can work with any 3rd party samples, including those not supported yet (you'd just have to map em yourself and not hard to do that really), it sounds almost perfect. I have gotten JamStix to play similarly to Bonham before too, which sounds like it would fit your needs well. The algorithms are expanded with each pack you buy. For instance I bought all the packs except for the ePak so I have like 4 or 5 kits to choose from as a start, then I can customize from there. The number of MIDI loops which work with the JamStix brain are way more than I'll ever need, and I find the playlist editor in JamStix to be very simple and easy to understand. You have to spend a day getting to really know the program but once you do, it will become almost a no-brain purchase decision probably, because JamStix does things that no other product can do -- the jamming with audio was something that sold me -- I don't even need to do anything besides throw a copy into a track and start playing to have a virtual drummer. I'm still learning how to make this use a style I like but it's very kick ass to just practice -- it's like being in a band (and if JamBassist is similar to this, man I'm there).k2500x wrote:Read my first post. I've tried RMX w/ the EXP libs. I thought the Backbeat playing was WAY too busy, and most of it way too 'funky' for straight rock music. Plus the processing on each set of 4-5 loops is different (modern, wacky, pitchy, or lofi), etc, etc which is quite limiting. The same holds true for Burning Grooves. That's the main problem with the spectrasonics stuff. Their loops are practically songs in themselves. I hear them all over TV shows as mood music. It's usually just the loop and a dark pad or something. ie The "tone" of each loop is just SO unique that, to me, it feels like it only supports one style, and most are not in a style I want to write in. It also means that I don't feel like I could write a cohesive rock album using their stuff. Each track would be wildly different. I know their stuff is top quality, but it's just not for me. Boy I hope I don't get flamed for saying that...megl wrote:Errr ... YES!!! Backbeat, Burning Grooves, your own rex-loops etc etc etc.k2500x wrote:Stylus RMX is very cool for sure. Love the way everything sounds so radio ready. But does it allow me access to many variations on the classic rock/pop sound? Sadly no.
I agree that the built-in sound bank is not for you. I don't use it much either. I see RMX as a very advanced REX-player
/megl
Anyway, I agree that RMX is the perfect REX player. That's why I've decided I'm either going to buy the REX versions of Drums on Demand and load them into Stylus, or just go with Toontrack's EZDrummer. Those are the kind of 'transparent' rock drum grooves that inspire, and get me thinking about all the songs I could write with them, NOT how am I gonna write a song around this massive drum loop that takes up so much space in the mix no matter what volume I have it at!
Please note that Acid tempo change does not affect pitch. Pitch and tempo are independently variable in both Acid and rex. Any loop in either format may, of course be stretched beyond a point of viable useability, particularly with respect to realism. However, as you do have RMX, rex files may in some cases have a greater range. That will vary from loop to loop in my experience. Please note also that ER Volume 1 includes loops at tempos 80 and 90 bpm, which are well in range of being downstretched into the 70's.k2500x wrote:Yeah but even acidized files will lose quality if you cange the pitch too much, correct? I tend to like slow grooves. Which sometimes means 120+ bpm and slowing it down to 70-90bpm...Bassballjg wrote:
Actually, in Sonar, you are good to go with the wav version of Endangered Rhythms, because Sonar supports Acidization, so you have total time elasticity for the loops. Just drop then into an audio track from the loop explorer and they will automatically snap to your project tempo.
On the other hand, if you have a rex file player, the same loops in rex 2 will give you all the advantages of that format as well, so you really can't lose with ER.
Thanks
Really? Not being argumentative here, just honestly surprised (being a happy Toontrack customer myself). What problems have you seen people having with Toontrack?grymmjack wrote: I haven't tried ezDrummer -- is there a demo available? I didn't think there was. Though it looks nice (superior UI), toontrack doesn't have the best reputation from what I've read around KVR so..
Wow - you're quite passionate about jamstix! I'm greatful to find so many helpful people on this forum. Well, you've convinced me that I need to at least demo jamstix, although I fear that the sound quality will not be up to stuff. You talked a bit about prices of some of the options I'm looking at, but kind of danced around the fact that I'll probably have to buy BFD or DFHS ($300 a pop) to get really good results from jamstix.grymmjack wrote:I should also mention that I know some guys who own the DoD loops (vols. 1-6) and their drums sound great but too "polished" for my tastes, and the BetaMonkey loops which I own are much more real sounding and less studio-ized so that means I have more creative control over them as they are recorded DRY without effects/processing/eq, etc.
I don't know exact posts, but just general bitching about some of their practices. Search for keyword toontrack and you should be able to find the related posts. 1 or 2 people have some beef.Yossarian wrote:Really? Not being argumentative here, just honestly surprised (being a happy Toontrack customer myself). What problems have you seen people having with Toontrack?grymmjack wrote: I haven't tried ezDrummer -- is there a demo available? I didn't think there was. Though it looks nice (superior UI), toontrack doesn't have the best reputation from what I've read around KVR so..
/Yoss
Ahh, well I'm just trying to help. Passion comes as a biproduct of that I guess, but yeah I really do like JamStix alot. For the processed sound, you can achieve similar results by adjusting the ambience control in JamStix -- I found it really gave a /whole/ different feel to each kit. I feel you about not being an engineer -- neither am I, but I'm also not lazy and incapable (not implying you are either) to learn how to compress a bass kick, etc, and when I finally get around to getting my hands dirty in this area I want to be used to relying on samples that are as dry as possible because I just know that I will wind up cursing the verb, or the compression or something somewhere down the line. I think you may be able to achieve what you want (that processed/pro studio sounding stuff) by adjusting the ambience slider in JamStix on the out page. Make sure you play with mix levels too. Of course all the products you are evaluating have this function to a point -- but I find that the JamStix built in samples are great starting point for a wide variety of music and the design of the mapping in JamStix makes it a trivial operation to swap out say a loose snare for a tight one.k2500x wrote:Wow - you're quite passionate about jamstix! I'm greatful to find so many helpful people on this forum. Well, you've convinced me that I need to at least demo jamstix, although I fear that the sound quality will not be up to stuff. You talked a bit about prices of some of the options I'm looking at, but kind of danced around the fact that I'll probably have to buy BFD or DFHS ($300 a pop) to get really good results from jamstix.grymmjack wrote:I should also mention that I know some guys who own the DoD loops (vols. 1-6) and their drums sound great but too "polished" for my tastes, and the BetaMonkey loops which I own are much more real sounding and less studio-ized so that means I have more creative control over them as they are recorded DRY without effects/processing/eq, etc.
I think the reason why I like the DoD loops and also EZDrummer, is BECAUSE there is some processing involved in the tracks. Remember, I'm no engineer, and I know it takes skill to properly eq, compress, gate, limit, etc 8+ tracks of drum kit. And I'm not at a level where I feel comfortable to do that from the raw dry samples (a la BFD/DFHS). We're not talking "Spectronics style" processing here. It's just the processing to get the loops tight and punchy and ready to be in a polished demo without extra work. Granted, I'm skipping things that I probably should be learning along the way, and will eventually 'graduate' to building drum tracks from the ground up. But what's most important to me right now are my songwriting skills: melody, harmony, and lyrics. Those are the areas where I want to spend 80% of my time, for the time being...
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