KVR Audio

Chuck E. Jesus · Post by **Chuck E. Jesus** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:29 pm

i'd be curious to hearsmall room verb (like drum rooms/studios/etc, i seem to be most critical of the sound as i find them most useful overall...

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:05 pm

Warp69 wrote:Hi All,

Since kmonkey used a preset called 'vintage 250' for a reverb test, I thought I might do some tests with my EMT250 - and here we go.

www.relab.dk/EMT250_OUT1+4_Drumloop.wav
www.relab.dk/EMT250_OUT2+3_Drumloop.wav
www.relab.dk/EMT250_OUT1+4_Brok.wav
www.relab.dk/EMT250_OUT2+3_Brok.wav

The EMT250 is a mono->4 channel reverb - therefore 2 different wav files for each test.

The settings : Time = 4.5s / Low = x1.0 / High = x0.33 / Predelay = 0ms / Mix = 50%/50%

Cheers

Hi Warp69,

nice to have you here in this Reverb-freak thread.

We all are addictives to reverb, ain't we?

Just did an EMT250 emulation on the V-Verb...

I'll post the sound soon in here...

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:15 pm

okay here we go again:

I did try to capture your EMT250 sound with the Theater algorithm of the Rev2496, which is one of the most dense sounding algos and only features a maximum length of 4seconds....

it may sound slightly other than the orignial one, but a real plate has to capture the sound back over mic or something like that which will also alter the sound slightly, I think?

listen on your own:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... lation.wma

maybe not perfect...especially the higher frequency range does sound slightly noisy...

Now I'll send "007 - the man with the golden gun"
through this EMT250 Preset.

first 50% wet/dry , then dry, then 50%wet again, ... and so on....
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb/007.wma

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:41 pm

okay here some other sounds....

First dry, then the preset modeled after Warps EMT250 plate and then as request a short room preset with audible early reflections...
I don't know what you want when you say short room, there are many options: ambiance algorithms, Theater algo with short decay.... there is even a Ambiance 960 preset that uses the Concert Hall Algorithmus...

here they are:

http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb/sounds_dry.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... emt250.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... t_room.wma

Carpet room adds early reflections that are audible, but this depends on preset and alogrithm.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:08 pm

the unit is very nice, especially for normal tasks...

The only thing I really really miss is attack_release modelling of the reverb tail...

like in this example which is from a professional mixed CD:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... elease.wma

its hard to make the rev2496 sound like this... (there is an algo with attack parameter but it does not sound like this)

As CSR has features disperse and buildup in many algos which work on attack and release behaviour...I'll maybe find what I need with the plug-in

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:17 pm

Its quite easy to archieve the reverb in 'fast_attack_release' with CSR - but its hardly a fast attack on that reverb

Set the parameter 'Buildup' to 75+ and 'size' to 23m+ and voila.

Cheers

Sammas · Post by **Sammas** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:26 pm

.jon wrote:Yeah Sammas you are a bit off, those hi-end converters are not available on common audio interfaces. That said, Focusrite Saffires were ranked above EMUs by some magazine.

I've only heard prosumer stuff and so far it's been good enough for me. And for that reason I'd rather not hear any of those +3K converters, they don't make sense outside professionally built studio environments.

Thats exactly what I mean... it might represent good value for money, but the best a/d converters? Not a chance. Have any of you heard the RME FireFace 800? Metric Halo gear? It is a considerable step up in quality.

It is funny that people just piss on what I just said, particular Hififboom. Jon, you have mentioned you haven't heard any of those units, what about you hifiboom? Have you even heard a Fireface 800? Lynx two?

Sammas · Post by **Sammas** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:29 pm

hifiboom wrote: I don't know what you want when you say short room,

Here:

http://groupdiy.twin-x.com/displayimage.php?pos=-1342

http://groupdiy.twin-x.com/displayimage.php?pos=-1341

http://groupdiy.twin-x.com/displayimage.php?pos=-1340

You have to open the link... If you can't get it to work let me know and I'll upload them somewhere else. These were made with Altiverb. First half dry, second half wet.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:32 pm

Warp69 wrote:Its quite easy to archieve the reverb in 'fast_attack_release' with CSR - but its hardly a fast attack on that reverb Set the parameter 'Buildup' to 75+ and 'size' to 23m+ and voila.

Cheers

Oh, I will be very happy, if I can.

Yeah you are right,it's not a fast attack at all...
but it sounds like a kind of fast wall echo.....

usual vst reverb plug-ins normally just give you a reverb tail that starts at 100% and then fades out to zero.in some plug-ins Size does affect the character of the sound but not the buildup of the tail in others it does affect it...( but I need total control)
So I was not very happy with all plugs at VST area as they just don't give you this flexibility in this area or if they do, they sound unconvincing...

While the V-Verb really sounds very good (and extremly good considering the price of 130€) it does not deliver this parameter.

And this buildup parameter makes a lot lot lot on the spacial impression.

Very nice... will love it..... hopefully I am convinced with the sound, too.

Thanks for your answer...

JeffSanders · Post by **JeffSanders** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:39 pm

Sammas wrote:
.jon wrote:Yeah Sammas you are a bit off, those hi-end converters are not available on common audio interfaces. That said, Focusrite Saffires were ranked above EMUs by some magazine.

I've only heard prosumer stuff and so far it's been good enough for me. And for that reason I'd rather not hear any of those +3K converters, they don't make sense outside professionally built studio environments.
Thats exactly what I mean... it might represent good value for money, but the best a/d converters? Not a chance. Have any of you heard the RME FireFace 800? Metric Halo gear? It is a considerable step up in quality.

It is funny that people just piss on what I just said, particular Hififboom. Jon, you have mentioned you haven't heard any of those units, what about you hifiboom? Have you even heard a Fireface 800? Lynx two?

A friend of mine I trust when it comes to recording recently "upgraded" to the Fireface 800 from the 1820M (because the drivers didn't play nice with his system). When I asked him how staggering the quality difference was and if it was worth it, he told me the main advantage was more ins and outs and more stable drivers. Basically said not to expect a difference in sound quality if I went that route.

Sorry to go off topic.

The verb sounds great.

Sammas · Post by **Sammas** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:43 pm

JeffSanders wrote:
Sammas wrote:
.jon wrote:Yeah Sammas you are a bit off, those hi-end converters are not available on common audio interfaces. That said, Focusrite Saffires were ranked above EMUs by some magazine.

I've only heard prosumer stuff and so far it's been good enough for me. And for that reason I'd rather not hear any of those +3K converters, they don't make sense outside professionally built studio environments.
Thats exactly what I mean... it might represent good value for money, but the best a/d converters? Not a chance. Have any of you heard the RME FireFace 800? Metric Halo gear? It is a considerable step up in quality.

It is funny that people just piss on what I just said, particular Hififboom. Jon, you have mentioned you haven't heard any of those units, what about you hifiboom? Have you even heard a Fireface 800? Lynx two?
A friend of mine I trust when it comes to recording recently "upgraded" to the Fireface 800 from the 1820M (because the drivers didn't play nice with his system). When I asked him how staggering the quality difference was and if it was worth it, he told me the main advantage was more ins and outs and more stable drivers. Basically said not to expect a difference in sound quality if I went that route.

Does anyone here actually use there own ears? Its all "a friend" or "people on ####### forum" or "search the internet and see".

Outrageous idea isn't it...

I had a completely opposite experience to that. I found the FF800 a considerable step up, particularly when in the context of a mix.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:49 pm

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:52 pm

Sammas,

completely off topic, but are you the same sammas from the prodigy pro forum? oh and hi if you are, I frequent that place, too.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:58 pm

I am all ear

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:40 pm

so lets get back to topic

( no more my audiointerface sounds better than yours discussions)

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