envelope follower / filter
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/xhipeff ... ter_v4.dll
http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/filty.mp3
i fixed a couple bugs, a couple mistakes and made some changes. the attack/decay now prints in ms, and the envelope follower has a much larger range so that you can get full range effects with lower level input (avoiding distortion or the need to increase headroom to compensate, thus higher noise)
please be aware of the headroom control, it is there to be used. this functions the same as a headroom control on analog gear and is there for all the same reasons. the filter performs well around -36db to -72db. lower and you'll get pretty bad noise (the algo doesnt work without atleast a certain number of bits), higher and you'll just get distortion. this may be desirable though, you can use the headroom control as a "drive" level.
http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/filty.mp3
i fixed a couple bugs, a couple mistakes and made some changes. the attack/decay now prints in ms, and the envelope follower has a much larger range so that you can get full range effects with lower level input (avoiding distortion or the need to increase headroom to compensate, thus higher noise)
please be aware of the headroom control, it is there to be used. this functions the same as a headroom control on analog gear and is there for all the same reasons. the filter performs well around -36db to -72db. lower and you'll get pretty bad noise (the algo doesnt work without atleast a certain number of bits), higher and you'll just get distortion. this may be desirable though, you can use the headroom control as a "drive" level.
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
as soon as you set up a paypal account I have a RetroBand license coming your way, both financially and legitimately, if for nothing else but for the awesomeness of your output (plugins and lessons in c++).aciddose wrote:so, think of it as an opportunity to donate and get something in return at the same time, i guess.
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
+1 to kingstons statement, definateley, allthough i of course can't offer you a free retroband ... 
but still, i have a little critics now, i hope you don't mind, aciddose ... (i allways feel a bit like an asshole when requesting something on free software):
i liked the mono version for it's ease of setting it up, it simply just worked just as i desired, on every material.
allthough i like the stereo (v4) version, too.
but with my wish for it to be stereo, i just meant, that the signal flow is stereo. dot. no additional gui stuff, no enhancements, nothing else than just making it stereo internally would've don it ...
on the new version i allways have to set up 2 sliders for the same effect, plus, the env follower's range is now that wide, that it's hard to dial up moderate settings.
f.e. in ext, the steps are so fine, that the minimal steps allready reach an ammount that could be higher as desired.
also, in the mono version, the output was not allowing anything over 0db, and it sounded good. now i allways have to readjust the headroom, once i changed the filter ...
all in all, the plugin (which was just acting fine in mono) now is more cluttered ...
of course, it allowes more functionality now, but the ease of use (slap it on a track and it just works with a few tweaks) is gone now, and exactly that was what i liked at the mono version ... i mean, when does one have the chance to get a that good sounding filter with a that ease of use?
that was just it.
so i have one wish to you:
could you just make an alterative version, which exactly behaves like the mono version, but is stereo in the signal flow, nothing else added? the stereo version (v4) could remain the same, for a greater functionality if needed ...
that's all i'd wish ... is that possible, aciddose?
again, i don't mean no harm in any way, it's unbelievable what you did for the plugin community ...
as i stated at the begining of this post (and i believe also did earlier in other posts), i'd donate or buy your plugins, as it's a rare thing that a developer actually not only listens to user suggestions, but gives a that high quality away for free ...
so i'd like to thank you again for what you do and the way you do it ...
but still, i have a little critics now, i hope you don't mind, aciddose ... (i allways feel a bit like an asshole when requesting something on free software):
i liked the mono version for it's ease of setting it up, it simply just worked just as i desired, on every material.
allthough i like the stereo (v4) version, too.
but with my wish for it to be stereo, i just meant, that the signal flow is stereo. dot. no additional gui stuff, no enhancements, nothing else than just making it stereo internally would've don it ...
on the new version i allways have to set up 2 sliders for the same effect, plus, the env follower's range is now that wide, that it's hard to dial up moderate settings.
f.e. in ext, the steps are so fine, that the minimal steps allready reach an ammount that could be higher as desired.
also, in the mono version, the output was not allowing anything over 0db, and it sounded good. now i allways have to readjust the headroom, once i changed the filter ...
all in all, the plugin (which was just acting fine in mono) now is more cluttered ...
of course, it allowes more functionality now, but the ease of use (slap it on a track and it just works with a few tweaks) is gone now, and exactly that was what i liked at the mono version ... i mean, when does one have the chance to get a that good sounding filter with a that ease of use?
that was just it.
so i have one wish to you:
could you just make an alterative version, which exactly behaves like the mono version, but is stereo in the signal flow, nothing else added? the stereo version (v4) could remain the same, for a greater functionality if needed ...
that's all i'd wish ... is that possible, aciddose?
again, i don't mean no harm in any way, it's unbelievable what you did for the plugin community ...
as i stated at the begining of this post (and i believe also did earlier in other posts), i'd donate or buy your plugins, as it's a rare thing that a developer actually not only listens to user suggestions, but gives a that high quality away for free ...
so i'd like to thank you again for what you do and the way you do it ...
Last edited by brok landers on Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
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- KVRAF
- 3404 posts since 15 Sep, 2002
bbq, but hold the mayo in the next poll, please. Yuck. BBQ sauces only.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
those changes would be gui changes, not changes to the core of the plugin. as for the thing never going over 0db, that was due to the fact it was have it's output hard clipped. i improved the float/fixed conversion stage of my effect plugin core and so they all behave this way now. you can get _exactly_ the same clipping effect by placing the hardclip plugin after the output, which really should be a seperate thing since who really wants hardclipping forced on them?
as for the controls being duplicated, that is absolutely nessicary. otherwise i'd just be copying the values between the duplicated controls and having them hidden. it'll be an option when i add a gui to link the controls for both filters. for now you'll have to just live with it.
as for the envelope range, that can be solved by adding an additional control for envelope coarse/fine. ultimately though it should be solved by use of a better input.
i dont want to make any more changes to the code now, things might get changed again in the future.
as for the controls being duplicated, that is absolutely nessicary. otherwise i'd just be copying the values between the duplicated controls and having them hidden. it'll be an option when i add a gui to link the controls for both filters. for now you'll have to just live with it.
as for the envelope range, that can be solved by adding an additional control for envelope coarse/fine. ultimately though it should be solved by use of a better input.
i dont want to make any more changes to the code now, things might get changed again in the future.
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- KVRAF
- 1958 posts since 16 Jan, 2005 from France's Dirty South
I second what brok said, it sounds great in the latest version, but i wish i didn't have to setup the controls for L&R.
Stereo path, but linked controls would be great.
thanks again aciddose.
Stereo path, but linked controls would be great.
thanks again aciddose.
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
well, i see it the exact opposite way:aciddose wrote:you can get _exactly_ the same clipping effect by placing the hardclip plugin after the output, which really should be a seperate thing since who really wants hardclipping forced on them?
- why should i be forced to place an additional plugin after the filter, when it just did fine without? that was not the least that i was liking about this plugin, as no other filter designer did take care of exactly that ...
- it sounded good. if it wouldn't have, i of course would've mentioned that, but like i said, it just sounded good.
- if the clipping is not wanted, i could in fact just lower the input's level.
which is exactly what i meant. leave it_exactly_ the way it was, only add the ability to use stereo signals ... this is what i meant.aciddose wrote:as for the controls being duplicated, that is absolutely nessicary. otherwise i'd just be copying the values between the duplicated controls and having them hidden.
yes, just add an input level slider and that's it, no need for "fine"-sliders.aciddose wrote:as for the envelope range, that can be solved by adding an additional control for envelope coarse/fine. ultimately though it should be solved by use of a better input.
allthough the env follower behaved just fine the way it was in the mono version, the range was wide enough ...
ok, i understand, though it would've been IT if you just would've done like i said ... of course your decision is respected, no question ... it's just that sometimes less is more ...aciddose wrote:i dont want to make any more changes to the code now, things might get changed again in the future.
it's really a shame, as this plugin was just closest to what most users would need as a straight perfect workhorse ... nothing fancy, just a the best filter with an env follower. but in the best way.
the exact same thing as in the mono version (with an inputlevel-slider added), just stereo, that would've been it, imo.
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
if you guys _Really_ want that i'll quickly do it up. you'll be missing out a lot of the time on the ability to have different depths set on the two filters. once i put a gui on this thing i'll be able to offer linked controls and higher resolution input for the envelope follower depth, then it wont be such a problem anymore having things exactly as they are now. i'll add an option for hardclipping, disabled by default though so you'll have to enable it.
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
ahhh acid, that would just be so nice! of course, for a greater possibility i'd still would use the v.4 one, but again, if i just want to slap a filter in a stereoloop and need it fast, the mono version in stereo would just be it ...
don't change anything exept adding the stereo signal flow and put an input levelslider into it, maybe an outputlevel-slider that sits right before the clipping stage ... the latter is not a must though ...
thanks a lot aciddose!
i have to leave now, but i'll check it out as soon as i'm back, which will be tomorrow afternoon ...
i'll let you know!
thank you so much again!
btw, thanks for backing me up on this, disturb!
don't change anything exept adding the stereo signal flow and put an input levelslider into it, maybe an outputlevel-slider that sits right before the clipping stage ... the latter is not a must though ...
thanks a lot aciddose!
i have to leave now, but i'll check it out as soon as i'm back, which will be tomorrow afternoon ...
i'll let you know!
thank you so much again!
btw, thanks for backing me up on this, disturb!
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
3 words:loopdon wrote:what a kind person you are, xhip. now i absolutely need to find out what the (surely deserved) hype about xhip is all about. thanks a lot!
its tha bomb.
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/xhipeff ... linked.dll
the odds of me making more edits are pretty low so i hope this suits your needs :P
i reduced the envelope to 1/4 which i hope is good enough for you. i could also make the control expoential, tell me if this works for you. making it exponential might be a better solution, i'm not sure.
the odds of me making more edits are pretty low so i hope this suits your needs :P
i reduced the envelope to 1/4 which i hope is good enough for you. i could also make the control expoential, tell me if this works for you. making it exponential might be a better solution, i'm not sure.
