I find VERY little need for a sequencer in a modular soft synth environment. That's what my host is for.Tronam wrote:Yes, but the point that seems to elude a lot of people is that Reason is not a host. It is a modular instrument.
Pretty stupid comment from Propellerhead stuff memeber on FL
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The keyword is portability: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portingheadquest wrote:Just out of interest, exactly what difference DOES it make that FL is coded in Delphi (not heard about this before...) - a non-techie answer would be interesting...?
Well-written C++ programs can be compiled for (and run on) any platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, etc) but there is only a Delphi compiler for Windows.
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- 2036 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA
Yep. It's like a low-tech Reaktor workstation. But, it has never been a "host". Unless you consider being able to host Rebirth worthy enough to get that title.John Vulich wrote:With mixers, fx and a sequencer.Tronam wrote:Yes, but the point that seems to elude a lot of people is that Reason is not a host. It is a modular instrument.
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I have always seen REASON as a host --Tronam wrote:Yep. It's like a low-tech Reaktor workstation. But, it has never been a "host". Unless you consider being able to host Rebirth worthy enough to get that title.John Vulich wrote:With mixers, fx and a sequencer.Tronam wrote:Yes, but the point that seems to elude a lot of people is that Reason is not a host. It is a modular instrument.
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nope, big difference. Actually, reason hosts reason instruments -- and sequences them, and mixes them. It is set up like a sequencer, and acts as such. I dont see why this is weird for someone to admit. It is quite limited as a sequencer tho. No audio recording, no vst, etc... ad nauseumTronam wrote:Would you then consider Reaktor to be a host as well? What exactly does Reason host?metrosechual wrote: I have always seen REASON as a host --
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- 2036 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA
Being able to run its own internal modules does not qualify it as a host in my opinion. It's a completely closed environment. A modular workstation with a collection of internal modules that you can control with an internal sequencer. It doesn't even send MIDI out, so you can't drive external MIDI devices. Sounds a hell of a lot more like Reaktor than something like Cubase.metrosechual wrote:nope, big difference. Actually, reason hosts reason instruments -- and sequences them, and mixes them. It is set up like a sequencer, and acts as such. I dont see why this is weird for someone to admit. It is quite limited as a sequencer tho. No audio recording, no vst, etc... ad nauseumTronam wrote:Would you then consider Reaktor to be a host as well? What exactly does Reason host?metrosechual wrote: I have always seen REASON as a host --
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- 8704 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni
did anyone mention hosts?
My other host is Bruce Forsyth
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So what exactly does it host?metrosechual wrote: I have always seen REASON as a host --
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reasons virtual instruments.smart wrote:So what exactly does it host?metrosechual wrote: I have always seen REASON as a host --
and then it sequences them with piano rolls and patterns --
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My hardware keyboard workstation includes a fairly powerful sequencer, even though I could sequence it from my software if I prefered. It does not host VSTs or record audioJohn Vulich wrote:I find VERY little need for a sequencer in a modular soft synth environment. That's what my host is for.Tronam wrote:Yes, but the point that seems to elude a lot of people is that Reason is not a host. It is a modular instrument.
I know that there IS hardware moving in that direction... and it may be equally the case that the Props take Reason in that direction in the future (although they have reoeatedly insisted that they do not intend to...)The forthcoming Ableton / Propellerhead partnership suggests to me that the Props intend to particularly support Live as a forward-looking host rather than develop their own...
...in the meantime, Reason is the software equivalent of my hardware keybaord workstation, and has been marketed as such (at least since version 3). It is not a host.
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Coding in Delphi is arguably faster and easier than C++ due to the complex user interface framework supplied with Delphi.headquest wrote:Just out of interest, exactly what difference DOES it make that FL is coded in Delphi (not heard about this before...) - a non-techie answer would be interesting...?
Delphi does not have complex optimisations that most modern C++ compilers have - so possibly the code Delphi produces is slower than C++ - not that I've noticed!
C++ is cross platform - however, creating an application needs more than just the language - you need a "framework" for the user interface. Delphi has this big time - C++ doesn't, so you have to either make one per platform or use one that exists ($$$, possibly).
Delphi is declining (my opinion) as Borland appear to making a meal of the whole package... or should I say CodeGear (i.e. Borland)?
C++ is a much richer language than Delphi's Object Pascal - apart from a few subtle things.
I've used both C++ and Delphi - Delphi is good for UI's on Windows, C++ is good for low level stuff like DSP (well, you can do it in Delphi) and cross platform.
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