How 'bout a "Miro support" web site (or page)?

[woodie]

Hmm. Camstudio looks pretty neat. I'd only need something basic.

I'll need a program of tutorials to do. What do you guys want to see?

-Kim.

Kim - since it sounds like you're interested in doing something like this, but really haven't worked on this kind of video stuff yet...I'd recommend you might want to venture on working something easier to start out. sounds like you're also quite familiar with T-Racks and CSR, so maybe they're easier to do a video of and then once you've got your skills honed in...then move to the more complicated stuff.

It obviously doesn't have to be full-length, but even short videos are fine and then eventually you can piece the whole thing together. at least that'll get you "in the groove" of doing these videos and thinking about more complex projects like Miro.

personally...i could use ANY help on these tools, so whatever you can come up with would be a big help not only to me, but to alot of folks. I wish we could all just RTFM and instantly become experts at this stuff. oh well...guess it doesn't work that way!

as an example for a video I'd like to see, is the T-Racks Audio Tutorial on the IK site, which I actually found enlightening and would love to see that expanded to really help those of us seriously in need (i.e. Home Studio dudes & dudettes).

[woodie]

oh by the way....if you have Stylus RMX - Eric did quite a number of tutorial videos on how to use Stylus RMX. They are BAD-ASS and every company out there needs to follow suit as he really shows you how to use it. It's almost as good as if Eric was right there teaching you hands-on.

anyway...just wanted to mention that since that's a perfect example of what I think we'd all like to see of the IK products.

[Kim Lajoie]

Well, I'll try doing one this weekend, and then we can talk about how to take it from there.

-Kim.

[Kim Lajoie]

Hey guys. Some new jobs have come up this weekend. In all likelihood, I probably won't have time to do any video demos soon. Sorry. I'll still try to get the text tutorials together when I can, and of course, I'm always here if you've got any questions.

-Kim.

[BERFAB]

Hey guys. Some new jobs have come up this weekend. In all likelihood, I probably won't have time to do any video demos soon. Sorry. I'll still try to get the text tutorials together when I can, and of course, I'm always here if you've got any questions.

-Kim.

Don't ever apologize for getting a gig.

Cheers
-B

[Kim Lajoie]

-Kim.

[nexussynth]

it seems to me many people buying the miro that are novices to orchestral music get dissapointed because they don't know where to start. they open philhamonik and don't know what they are trying to do they just want to sound like jerry goldsmith or dvorak (as the case may be!). thats okay.

what needs to be done first though is a lot of close listening to orchestral music and not just film scores or late classical music.

one does not need to even be able to read music to get a feel for the way the different sections and solos are employed in orchestral writing. listen to music in small 'chunks' and then try to recreate the little bits you hear in a string phrase or a brass chord.

i have found that 'loop' libraries of orchestral music such as the sony acid and others are actually a good way to learn about how orchestral music is put together. make your own phrases with midi and miro and then use them like you would the acid loops.

the garritan forum is populated with many experienced users and much of what they discuss applies to miro or ewqlso or what-have-you.

books on orchestration are okay but of little use when it comes to midi orchestration. for instance, orchestration books suggest doubling the violins with the flutes for a thicker sound and this is a common technique. but if you do it with samples..it sounds 'synthy'. orchestratrion books would indicate that using section horns presets to play chords would result in 12 fr. horns or something..but in reality it is done frequently because it sounds better when you alternate between chords and unisons.

listen extensively to orchestra recordings and then..use your ears. try to make your midi phrases sound like the loops, you know? concentrate on short little snippets of orchestral music before you try and compose a 12 minute symphonic movement or a long film cue.

i am not a 'pro'. i am a hobbyist. i have also spent a lot of time listening (and recording) to real orchestras both in concert and at rehearsals. rehersals are good because the orchestra often just practices on short sections of the music at a time and this lets you analyze what you are seeing (the players) with what you are hearing.

go to your library and check out CDs of orchestral works of many types of concert music. i have an extensive collection of orchestral recordings i have accumulated over the years, some i recorded myself. this has helped me enourmously.

one note: don't expect to be able to analyze wagner, strauss or mahler overnight. i still can't figure out how they got "that sound".

i have grown up with synthesized orchestral music and have spent many years playing around with it but i still have so much to learn.

one last observation: don't ever expect midi pieces you did with ANY library will fool people aquainted with orchestral sound into thinking you used a real orchestra. if you expect to sound just like that great filmscore you just heard or a favorite piece of classical music forget it. midi orchestra is just at best, an approximation of the real thing.

my best advice: listen and learn to read music. learn to follow an orchestral score while listening to a good recording of it. then take a snippet of the score and see what you can do with it with your miro or whatever. try just doing whatever it takes to get close to the same sound and don't worry about if your following the proper rules of orchestration because some book says thats the way to do it. sharing of techniques is good but they won't mean a thing unless you understand just what it is you are trying to achieve or recreate with midi.

thats it!

[Kim Lajoie]

Good tips there, nexussynth.

-Kim.

[harmony gardens]

excellent post nexus

[JPQ]

I fact i must say gpo have some things what sounds nicer than Miroslav but all libraries have own good and bad points. Basic reason why someone uses two or even more orchestral samplelibraries.