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Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:04 pm

contrary wrote: Here's what you need to do cat . emulate the voxegno pricing policy; 20% discount starting with the secound plug. then we can design our own "bundles".

That's an idea. But bduffy was talking about the special offers for existing customers here.

Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:07 pm

bduffy wrote: Hadn't thought about it like that! But wouldn't someone who uses the term "coloured" not want a "coloured" EQ? Why, he'd want it as pure as the driven snow...

Anyway, stop trying to get me in trouble!

Note that it is also suitable for non colored EQing as well (when setting the non linear slider to 0%). The banner says it all: "the best of both worlds", coloured and uncoloured (and colored and uncolored as well)

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bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:39 pm

Blue Cat Audio wrote:
Shy wrote:
bduffy wrote: Hadn't thought about it like that! But wouldn't someone who uses the term "coloured" not want a "coloured" EQ? Why, he'd want it as pure as the driven snow...
Anyway, stop trying to get me in trouble!
Note that it is also suitable for non colored EQing as well (when setting the non linear slider to 0%). The banner says it all: "the best of both worlds", coloured and uncoloured (and colored and uncolored as well) .

Oh yeah...interesting...

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:09 am

I'm still thinking the upgrade price is kinda wierd. For example on the Web page I can buy the Parametr'EQ Bundle for $119. In the email I rcv'd I can upgrade my Bundle from v2 to v3 for $74, that's 62% of the new customer price.

The last upgrade I picked up was from Sonalksis to go to MkII for their EQ which was about 25% of the full price. I've never paid for a Voxengo upgrade and there have been zillions.

Somebody correct my thinking here - or maybe I got the wrong email or something.

Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:30 am

kylen wrote:I'm still thinking the upgrade price is kinda wierd. For example on the Web page I can buy the Parametr'EQ Bundle for $119. In the email I rcv'd I can upgrade my Bundle from v2 to v3 for $74, that's 62% of the new customer price.

The last upgrade I picked up was from Sonalksis to go to MkII for their EQ which was about 25% of the full price. I've never paid for a Voxengo upgrade and there have been zillions.

Somebody correct my thinking here - or maybe I got the wrong email or something.

It's actually 50% the full price. Since it's an entire new product line (even though it has the same name as the V2), it seemed to us reasonable to propose such a discount. This time it was decided that the 75% discount would be reserved to customers who recently purchased the products. Our customers are usually (very) happy with our upgrade policy, so I guess we made it wrong this time... I am going to check if we can come up with a better compromise.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:45 am

Sorry, Blue Cat, if I may ask again: does the previous customer discount include buying a single plugin, or just the full, 3-plugin pack?

(don't you love all these potential customer questions!?

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Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Thu May 24, 2007 5:03 am

bduffy wrote:Sorry, Blue Cat, if I may ask again: does the previous customer discount include buying a single plugin, or just the full, 3-plugin pack?

(don't you love all these potential customer questions!? )

I thought I had answer this question but it seems I forgot to! Today the offer is only for the pack, but it works even if you purchased only one of the plugins.

Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Thu May 24, 2007 6:12 am

@kylen: it's been a tough discussion, but the upgrade offer has been updated. You can now upgrade the entire bundle for 39EUR or $49 if you own V2... (67% discount. It's the best we can do given the development cost for v3!)

Check your email, or just go to the upgrade page (you might have to refresh your browser)!

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:25 pm

Awesome news on both accounts, thanks BlueCat!

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:44 am

OK thanks for thinking about that Blue Cat, I'm dl'ing the demo to see what it sounds like and how the controls feel. I'm also in the middle of an apartment move so every $ counts...

At the same time I'm in need of a good feeling and sounding M/S EQ for a repair job (keys vs vocals) so I have to be able to sweep steadily thru the Mid and Sides to do some cleanup - if possible. I used AirEQ last night so I'll give the Blue Cat a try tonight...

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Sat May 26, 2007 4:42 am

Hi Blue Cat - this looks real good so far, nice feel and sound. I'm just trying to work out a couple of things:

1. On the Widening EQ the comp/dist never seems to hit the SIDE channel probably because it is usually at least -6db lower than the MID at least for the music I'm used to. If I adjust the output or input gain obviously that would push it into the comp/dist but then my M-S balance is out of adjustment. I don't know what you think about putting some kind of threshold in there or if there is some other way to do it.

2. EQ Control - It is handy to turn off the bands I have set. I'm thinking it would be cool if only those bands come back on when I turn on the EQ Control shortcut. Right now all bands come on whenever I turn on EQ Control. I don't know what the intention was.

The demo limitation is pretty cool when it kicks in and also turns on the 'Bypass' light so you know not to keep cranking a control (gain especially).

Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Sat May 26, 2007 7:08 am

Thanks for you feedback!

About the comp/dist thing on the side channel, here is how you should proceed: increase the input gain until it hits distortion/comp (you can probably see that on the output meter that should be close to 0dB for the side channel), and then adjust the output gain so that it removes the effect of the input gain. That's the reason for these two knobs: pushing the input gain pushes the distortion/comp effect, and you can just remove the extra gain at the output so that the peak level is not changed.

kylen wrote: 2. EQ Control - It is handy to turn off the bands I have set. I'm thinking it would be cool if only those bands come back on when I turn on the EQ Control shortcut. Right now all bands come on whenever I turn on EQ Control. I don't know what the intention was.

That's a good idea indeed, but maybe for anothe control. Today the intent is to enable all bands at once, for example when you are starting to look for your EQ settings at the very beginning. Then when it's setup you just disable the few bands you finally do not use. Note that in non linear mode, each EQ band is active (as a comp/dist stage) even if its gain is equal to 0 dB.

The demo limitation is pretty cool when it kicks in and also turns on the 'Bypass' light so you know not to keep cranking a control (gain especially).

The "smooth" bypass is a new thing indeed. Without this system it would produce "clicks" everytime, especially if you use extreme settings with a lot of compression.

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:14 pm

Blue Cat Audio wrote:Thanks for you feedback!

About the comp/dist thing on the side channel, here is how you should proceed: increase the input gain until it hits distortion/comp (you can probably see that on the output meter that should be close to 0dB for the side channel), and then adjust the output gain so that it removes the effect of the input gain. That's the reason for these two knobs: pushing the input gain pushes the distortion/comp effect, and you can just remove the extra gain at the output so that the peak level is not changed.

Hi Blue Cat - I wasn't descriptive on the 1st part I don't think. The MID is already in distortion/comp so if I push the Input up so the SIDE indicates dist/comp then I'm thinking that will be too much for the MID if you see what I mean.

My other option for pre/post emphasis is to set MSED or one of your gain plugins to balance the MID/SIDE (1st plugin - pre emph) then adjust them to taste (2nd plugin - post emph). I thought it might be better to do this in the EQ as it makes the pre/post emph invisible for folks that might not understand how to balance it, one less step in other words.

Maybe I'm missing a piece of information here, what do you think?

Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Sun May 27, 2007 7:04 am

Hi Kyle,

I think I really don't get it...! Why use external pre/post gain plugins since there are already two independant mid/side pre/post gains in the plugin? (that's what I was trying to tell you to use). Since both channels are independent, pushing the input gain and decreasing the output gain for the side channel won't disturb the mid channel.

Here is how it would work from a signal flow standpoint:

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              --Mid -- +0dB ---EQ stages--- -0dB -- Limit
--Stereo In---                                           ---Stereo Out
              --Side-- +6dB ---EQ stages--- -6dB -- Limit

This way Mid/side balance is preserved, and the EQ stages receive a higher signal level so that the comp/dist stuff reacts properly.

But maybe I am missing something in your request!

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Sun May 27, 2007 4:29 pm

Blue Cat Audio wrote:Hi Kyle,

I think I really don't get it...! Why use external pre/post gain plugins since there are already two independant mid/side pre/post gains in the plugin? (that's what I was trying to tell you to use).

Oops - you're right - I got confused about the views - my mistake. For some reason I thought the gains were inputs before the ms split, even though you painstakenly colored them so I could see they are seperate...

Thanks! Anyway I picked up V3 last night since I figured this could be worked out one way or the other. I'm doing some corrective cuts and shelves and really like the control and sound. Very cool!

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