Vintage Drum Machine Samples CD collection?

[lung]

I'd be interested in 24bit wav/Guru kits high quality drum samples.

Free samples sound pretty good, and I own an Emax I could resample with to get dirt/sonic character for any particular free sample.. but a nice large collection of high quality sampled vintage drums (with lots of obscure old organ-era models - like bontempi, etc.) would be of interest to me.

Huggie/Hollowsun, what gear is used to sample with into the PC? Neve/Apogee/high end A/D? If some high-end out-of-reach-of-the-budget-studio preamps & converters are used, that would be the icing on the cake. May be just as or more important than 16 vs 24-bit samples.

btw, thanks everyone for those great links!!

[Huggie]

I'd be interested in 24bit wav/Guru kits high quality drum samples.

Free samples sound pretty good, and I own an Emax I could resample with to get dirt/sonic character for any particular free sample.. but a nice large collection of high quality sampled vintage drums (with lots of obscure old organ-era models - like bontempi, etc.) would be of interest to me.

Huggie/Hollowsun, what gear is used to sample with into the PC? Neve/Apogee/high end A/D? If some high-end out-of-reach-of-the-budget-studio preamps & converters are used, that would be the icing on the cake. May be just as or more important than 16 vs 24-bit samples.

btw, thanks everyone for those great links!!

I use Metric Halo, Motu, Joe Meek, TLAudio, Allen and Heath, Lexicon, etc... a respectable project studio... but I also use a big studio when the project needs it. For instance at the moment I am working on a product that needs 1/2 inch tape and a vintage mixing desk...

I also have a great service guy who can modify and repair old drum machines. He has been invaluable... he modded my 808 BD to decay for longer and beefed up my 606 snare drum... etc...

Hugo

[lung]

I use Metric Halo, Motu, Joe Meek, TLAudio, Allen and Heath, Lexicon, etc... a respectable project studio... but I also use a big studio when the project needs it. For instance at the moment I am working on a product that needs 1/2 inch tape and a vintage mixing desk...

I also have a great service guy who can modify and repair old drum machines. He has been invaluable... he modded my 808 BD to decay for longer and beefed up my 606 snare drum... etc...
Hugo

Respectable! Thanks for the reply. That would be great to have some modded 808/606 samples.

I'd be very interested in some charismatic Jomox (esp. the bass drum), Pearl Syncussion, MAM DRM-1, Simmons SDS5/8/9/400, Tama TS-305/306, ER-1 samples. Any chance you've sampled any of these beasts?

No room for all the analogue drum synths these days, and AraldFX DKS Pro & my newly repurchased Kawai XD-5 are enough at the moment, but that Jomox XBASE999 does look like a fun monster. Never tried a MachineDrum, could be fun as well. Ok I'm off topic. Back to samples..

http://www.analoguesamples.com/samples. ... gory=drums

[hollowsun]

I'll have to respectfully disagree about not sampling Vintage Drum Machines at a better bit rate... Sure a lot of these drum machines used 12-bit or less but the manufacturers got around this using different methods of D-A conversion and filters etc... I think it is very worthwhile sampling these machines at 24-bit and 44.1khz. A sample based vintage drum machine is not just a sample player it is an instrument! For example the TR505 and TR626 have I suspect similar if not identical samples shared between them... and yet they both have a different character...

True ... up to a point.

But back in the day, those things were either built to a spec (usually a low one imposed by technology) or to a price. The early 8-bit jobbies would have had an 8-bit DAC performing at best at around 6-bits. Similarly, the 12-bit beatboxs' DACs would have performed at around 9- or 10-bits. Then with the advent of cheaper 16-bit DACs, they used those even though they continued to use 12-bit samples to conserve memory - but at least those 12-bit samples were heard as 12-bit through a 16-bit DAC because, even though they would have only been performing at 13- or 14-bits, the full 12-bits would make it out without truncation.

And then when memory became cheaper, they could use 16-bit samples (although they still continued to use 12-bit samples at restricted sample rates ... to claw some space to accommodate some 16-bit samples) but even then, the DACs would be performing at 14-bit at best, especially the off-the-shelf 'economy' DACs they used to meet a price point. As a result, recording any of these at 24-bit seems a waste (to me at least) coz the bits just aren't in the originals to capture.

Now, something like an 808/909 kick/snare would be a different matter being analogue of course - likewise perhaps for the other analogue sounds they produce (although 44/16 does me just fine) - but for older sample-based beatboxes, it's just not worth it IMO and will make little or no audible difference. However, if those samples are being processed in any way (compression, etc.), there may be some benefit in a higher bit-depth but I prefer to sample my stuff raw and apply processing afterwards.

PS. I think Hollowsun make great products!

Thanks


Steve

[hollowsun]

Huggie/Hollowsun, what gear is used to sample with into the PC? Neve/Apogee/high end A/D? If some high-end out-of-reach-of-the-budget-studio preamps & converters are used, that would be the icing on the cake. May be just as or more important than 16 vs 24-bit samples.

My setup is quite modest.

I sample straight into my Akai S5000 (which has very respectable ADCs) and keep 'em raw with little or no post-processing, preferring to process the raw samples afterwards (or leave it to users to apply their own).

But that is maybe more of a conceptual philosophy here at HS Towers - to provide what would be the equivalent of having 'the real thing' sitting front of you rather than a heavily 'produced' sound.

But kudos to those who want to provide heavily 'produced' samples - nowt wrong with it and each to their own.

But actually, what is quite important is the sample editing, especially sample start. Get that wrong and the whole 'feel' of beats created with the samples can be very different from the original. And I think that's where a lot of the free net download jobbies can suffer - they can 'sound' ok but they trigger sloppily in a rhythm thus giving the feeling that they are not pro.


Steve

[lung]

Steve, thanks for the reply. Interesting to info about sample start/editing. There is value in keeping it raw. =)

[LBN]

There are places around the web where you can get ROM dumps of the original samples which can be converted to WAV files. I don't remember the exact method of conversion but it involves something like loading it as RAW into your audio editor, changing some other parameters, waving a dead chicken over your DAW as a sacrifice to the audio god Moloch. Perhaps someone else will know what I'm talking about because I certainly don't.

[DigiPRO]

LBN,

I think it is here:

http://www.electrongate.com/software/index.html

Scroll at the end of tha pageee

[Bubbamusic]

Wow, thank you.

Peace: bubba

[LBN]

LBN,

I think it is here:

http://www.electrongate.com/software/index.html

Scroll at the end of tha pageee

Thanks for that. I'll play around with it although I just saw the note on the page that mentioned the WAVs on there were already converted directly from the EPROMs. I was never good at reading comprehension.

That DMX kick has to be one of the most recognizable kicks in music history to open a song.

[Huggie]

looks like I'll be buying your guru kits!

dw

Ok the store is up and running all products are go!

http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/productpage.html

[meeks]

Sold! checking out the sounds now.

[parke02]

Hi Huggie,

I'm looking for a comprehensive 808 kit, lots of tunings and different settings etc... How many samples are there for the 808 kit?

[Bubbamusic]

I just checked a Roland 808 sample program that I got from Roland years ago. It sounds great - has 64 samples.

Peace: bubba

[parke02]

Thx Bubba, but I was wondering how many 808 samples were in Huggies kit. I just bought it anyway. Can't argue with $14 for 500+ samples