MIDI-VST-Effect plugins [Win/Linux] - 20 Oct. 2007

[-PIKU-]

A cc number selector would have been feasible but keep in mind that basically every new feature (per node) decreases performance in its own scale.
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i alwais thought that adding features increases the cpu charge leaving the latency performance unchanged...

anyway...
regarding cc value selection in midi-note-matrix it was usefull for me to use buttons of my midicontroller to send different program-change messages

there where other requests about this...
1) selectable value, as i sayd...
2) cc-off, like in piz's midipads (with cc-off i can use a pedal to teporarly change a preset on some of your plugins, returning to the previous preset when the button\pedal is leaved)
3) a dream solution: add a button that opens a secondary matrix to with x=notein velocity and y=ccout value... ok ok ... i stop here, this is really a complicated and useless solution

a new plugin dedicated only to pc messages handling could be done.
a note to pc matrix... or smething similar.
here are some needs of mine:
1) possibility to use a single note to send many pc messages, but not the way pc-init works but... serially. each time i trigger the selected note (learnable) the pc value is incremented by 1.
2) possibility to select a range (min c value , max pc value), when the value reaches the max it returns to 0
3) possibility to use a second note to decrement the value
4) possibility to use a pot (0-127) as a rotary switch, so turning the knob i change pc selection in the range.

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regarding s-message:
1) add the possibility to handle many text-messages, each triggered by a different midimessage
2) could you add an option to make the popup message disappear without the need to press "ok"... you could add a time value selection.

i want to use this plug with pc-switching to wiev what preset i loaded on my midibox

[plastique]

i alwais thought that adding features increases the cpu charge leaving the latency performance unchanged...

Hey, I talked about cpu performance in general here No mention of latency anywhere.

a new plugin dedicated only to pc messages handling could be done.
a note to pc matrix... or smething similar.
here are some needs of mine:
1) possibility to use a single note to send many pc messages, but not the way pc-init works but... serially. each time i trigger the selected note (learnable) the pc value is incremented by 1.
2) possibility to select a range (min c value , max pc value), when the value reaches the max it returns to 0
3) possibility to use a second note to decrement the value
4) possibility to use a pot (0-127) as a rotary switch, so turning the knob i change pc selection in the range.

This sounds like something you can do with an S-Midi-Stepper.
One CC value used for incr/decr, one CC to switch direction (by automation) and optionally one for a reset (by automation).

regarding s-message:
1) add the possibility to handle many text-messages, each triggered by a different midimessage
2) could you add an option to make the popup message disappear without the need to press "ok"... you could add a time value selection.

1) Good idea, I'll consider a version which will read in strings from one or more text files.
2) Should be no problem (timeout selector, with choice of either a value or infinite as default)

[-PIKU-]

This sounds like something you can do with an S-Midi-Stepper.
One CC value used for incr/decr, one CC to switch direction (by automation) and optionally one for a reset (by automation).

i dont'know how to thank you plast!!

i was convinced that cc-stepper was for another thing...

well, the only possible feature that i could suggest for s-stepper improvement is to allow the input-cc value to select\trigger the values 1-16 like these were disposed on a slider...

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now
a completely different idea for a a midiplugin...
i hope you'll consider this whe you'll return to plugin developement...
an advanced cc-morpher:

some trigger button will be able to learn or send a "scene".

a scene is the status of a group of selected cc's... a numbr of 16 cc could be enough...

in the use: i play with my hardware controller or with a virtual controller like piz's midipads controlling various cc's routed to a synth (hradware or software).
i store different cc configurations in the scene buttons, then i can transforn the sound of the synth (or a group of synths\vst's) triggering the buttons.
the buttons have to be large enough to be triggered with a touchscreen

a glide value will control the morph time between two selections.
like in soma's cc-morph (it works with 1 cc only)

a morph function will allow you to directly control the morphing with a controller(absolute or relative). this is the hard part of the trip!!! i posted various solutions in various topic of the energy-xt forum.
if you are intereasted in doing that i can give you all the links

[-PIKU-]

another possible useful idea for a plug is a hold2toggle plugin.

8 or 16 selectable notes (or ALL notes) that pass thru this plug will alternate note on and off each time a midinote message is recived.

this is useful with midicontrolles that need midifeedback to control visual elements ,like leds

this could be considere even as an improvement for the s-note-matrix plugin
a toggle option could be added in each node!

[insertpizhere]

i wanted to try these in linux yesterday, but they weren't recognized as vst plugins in either energyXT2 or Jost. specifically, i tried S-Midi-Monitor-Lite and S-Indicators.

[plastique]

My immediate suspect would be that it misses the open gl libaries, which I probably have linked but in fact aren't necessary to run the plugins. I will do a recompile this evening.

Other than that, what kind of linux system are you using ?

The plugins were built and tested under Slackware 11.0 (libc version 2.36), additional testing under Xubuntu 7.04 and Ubuntu 5.10.

It would also be interesting which libc version you have installed. To find this out do the following:

- open terminal
- type in "ldd /bin/sh" (without the quotes)
- you'll see a line (amongst others) which starts with "libc.so" and afterwards the linked file
- now type in the linked file (e.g. "/lib/libc.so.6")
- what you'll now see is the deatailed information about the libc library starting with the release version

[insertpizhere]

it's ubuntu 7.04, with lots of other things added (ubuntustudio packages, realtime kernel, development stuff). i didn't try too hard to see what the problem could be... i was actually testing my own plugins, which yours would be very useful for. i'll check the openGL libraries and libc version when i get home tonight.

thanks!

[Lagrange]

Funny I've wondered what crazy MIDI contraption would be born from a insertpizhere/plastique collab ! Please do this..

L

[plastique]

Alright, the recompile is finished. The plugins are at the same location. Same version, just now with the redundant dependencies removed. Let me know if they still show up as not loadable, and we'll have to try some other solutions.

[plastique]

regarding s-message:
2) could you add an option to make the popup message disappear without the need to press "ok"... you could add a time value selection.

2) Should be no problem (timeout selector, with choice of either a value or infinite as default)

BTW, I forgot to mention, you can also automate the start/stop of the timer, which will automatically close the popup window as well. I'll still add the timeout of course, makes sense in many situations.

[insertpizhere]

Alright, the recompile is finished. The plugins are at the same location. Same version, just now with the redundant dependencies removed. Let me know if they still show up as not loadable, and we'll have to try some other solutions.

they still don't work, unfortunately. all i get in XT2 is a square of corrupted graphics in the center of the screen... this is the same as before. jost still won't even try to load them.

i'm trying it in an xfce session now (normally i use fluxbox), since you said they were tested in xubuntu, but they still don't work...

my libc is 2.5.

[plastique]

I have a feeling this won't be easy to track down as I can't reproduce or even recall having heard about such a behaviour yet. Can you PM me a screenshot of the messed up window ?

Anyone else having problems to load or show any plugins under Linux ?

[synthie]

Hi,
just tried the S-CC-Matrix and V2 in Cubase VST 5.1 which doesn't recognise either as effects.
Tracktion2 does but I can't get it to work.

I'm trying to change the filter cutoff coming from my Access Virus (cc42) to reFX Vanguard (cc71). When setting the matrix accordingly nothing happens when I change the parameter.
I made sure that I don't have the input/output the other way round so that's not it.

I highlighted the "THRU" button as otherwise I can't hear anything from Vanguard. I'm also not sure what the "C" and "P" buttons do, can someone please enlighten me?

More general, is the S-CC-Matrix known to work with Tracktion2?

Thanks in advance!

[plastique]

Hi,
just tried the S-CC-Matrix and V2 in Cubase VST 5.1 which doesn't recognise either as effects.
Tracktion2 does but I can't get it to work.

Technically the plugins are VST instruments. Try to load them into the instrument rack in VST5.

I'm trying to change the filter cutoff coming from my Access Virus (cc42) to reFX Vanguard (cc71). When setting the matrix accordingly nothing happens when I change the parameter.
I made sure that I don't have the input/output the other way round so that's not it.

I highlighted the "THRU" button as otherwise I can't hear anything from Vanguard.

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More general, is the S-CC-Matrix known to work with Tracktion2?

I just loaded them into Tracktion 1.6 (which I assume is in many ways similar to later versions) and they work fine. FWIW, I switched on the "e-to-e" button to be able to recognize midi output. If that's "the trick" I can't say as I'm far from a Tracktion expert, merely got the NFR version while it was available at that time.

The "THRU" button just enables non-CC data to be passsed through unaltered.

I'm also not sure what the "C" and "P" buttons do, can someone please enlighten me?

On the top left of the plugins you'll notice a small blue rectangle. Click on it and the tooltip mode is enabled (same to do to disable it). If it's on, you can hover the cursor over controls and where applicable you'll get a few more informations in form of a tooltip.

HTH
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[synthie]

That was a quick reply!

I tried again in Cubase and yes, it's a VSTi, not an effect.

In Tracktion2 I still couldn't get it to work until I realised that Vanguard has the "Ignore Midi-cc" option in its setup ticked by default. After unticking that option it now works fine

Thanks for the quick help,

synthie